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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:13 pm

N370AA left TLV this morning and has landed at SNN. Should be on its way to the US after the crew gets some rest.
 
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:22 pm

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Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:46 pm

Amazon Prime Air has recently bought 767-300[ER] LN 625 Ex. Mega Global Air 8Q-MEF Reg after conversion will become N1409A this airframe is 21 years old.
 
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Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:01 pm

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Amazon Prime Air has recently bought 767-300[ER] LN 625 Ex. Mega Global Air 8Q-MEF Reg after conversion will become N1409A this airframe is 21 years old.


Thanks for that interesting info!! Looks like it's still owned by AerCap, so maybe leased to Atlas? Which is weird, because the original anticipated structure of things (and the structure on the ATSG side), is that it is dry-leased to Amazon by the lessor, and operated on a CMI basis by the operator. So on the ATSG side, the frames are owned by CAM and dry-leased to Amazon. Generally, on the Atlas side the frames are owned by AAWS's leasing subsidiary, Titan (or an affiliate, Andromeda), under the same setup. I guess we'll see; maybe the paperwork is just catching up.

So it looks like three of the four 767-300s that had been leased to Mega Maldives (Mega Global Air) are going to be converted for Prime. N1181A, which was initially quite a handful post-conversion, was 8Q-MEH, and the frame that will be N1399A was -MEE. That one has been at TLV since May 8, 2017. We will see how well-behaved these other two are after conversion.
 
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Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:35 am

So N1361A is on the way to the US from QPG.

Entered conversion in QPG on 4/3/17, so 4 months for the conversion and, presumably, painting. (The BCFs going to Atlas have so far arrived from QPG already-painted.)

This is LN570, 22.4 years old, delivered to Asiana, then in the LAN/LATAM system since 2003.

This is the 9th conversion for the Atlas Prime Air contract (including 1709A which is kind of a hybrid covering DHL and Prime Air routes).
 
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Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:51 am

Yes at 8:47 AZ time the Aircraft is over Davos in the Philippines. It is cool to be able to track Aircraft live.
 
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Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:36 am

370AA seems still to be at SNN, unless I'm missing something. Should have headed onward to CONUS by now, so curious whether there are maint issues that need to be resolved.
 
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Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:37 am

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Yes at 8:47 AZ time the Aircraft is over Davos in the Philippines. It is cool to be able to track Aircraft live.


Indeed!
 
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Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:47 pm

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travaz wrote:
Yes at 8:47 AZ time the Aircraft is over Davos in the Philippines. It is cool to be able to track Aircraft live.


Indeed!


Just departed Guam for HNL.
 
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Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:46 am

Anybody know what's up with 370AA? At this rate, 1361A is going to beat it home. Mechanicals? Other problems?
 
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Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:29 pm

Whiplash6 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
travaz wrote:
Yes at 8:47 AZ time the Aircraft is over Davos in the Philippines. It is cool to be able to track Aircraft live.


Indeed!


Just departed Guam for HNL.


https://www.instagram.com/p/BXchOosDIS8 ... =hnlramper
 
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Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:17 pm

Allee wrote:
Whiplash6 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:

Indeed!


Just departed Guam for HNL.


https://www.instagram.com/p/BXchOosDIS8 ... =hnlramper


I love the immediacy of Instagram! There it is, indeed! And, as expected, fully-painted!
 
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:01 pm

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370AA seems still to be at SNN, unless I'm missing something. Should have headed onward to CONUS by now, so curious whether there are maint issues that need to be resolved.


370AA is scheduled to move today to CVG and ILN.
 
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Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:04 pm

Allee wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
370AA seems still to be at SNN, unless I'm missing something. Should have headed onward to CONUS by now, so curious whether there are maint issues that need to be resolved.

370AA is scheduled to move today to CVG and ILN.

N370AA just departed CVG for ILN.
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:55 am

cvgComair wrote:
Allee wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
370AA seems still to be at SNN, unless I'm missing something. Should have headed onward to CONUS by now, so curious whether there are maint issues that need to be resolved.

370AA is scheduled to move today to CVG and ILN.

N370AA just departed CVG for ILN.


Thanks! Woo-hoo! Finally.

So the ATSG earnings press release pointed out that two frames at TLV will be delayed until next year, and that they have 12 763s set for conversion and delivery through mid-2018 (not including the now-complete Amazon dry leases). I count 4 at TLV, and 2 more stored elsewhere, so I guess Hete is negotiating for 6 more or has them in his pocket. He says he has 9 leased and is talking about 3 more. 3 of the 9 are to Northern, so interesting that he has 6 more leased elsewhere, and the elsewhere is definitely not Amazon. If he wants them all out by mid-2018, he needs to get the other 8 off to TLV (or MEX??) by January. That means we should be seeing 1-2 a month between now and then arriving at TLV.

As to Northern, given that they now have both 767s and 737s, and the head of Saltchuk is close to Bezos, I wouldn't be surprised to see them used for future acquisitions/operations of either type. Think that's funny/impossible? (Some pilots on various boards think that nobody but Atlas and ATSG could do the flying.) Just remember that ATI went from 7 aircraft to 24 in less than two years.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:27 am

Latest Amazon order (TB Lightning decal and a aquarium filter foam), can't be more than .75 pounds, went from SEA-CVG-TPA. Kinda interesting given, one the light weight of the package and two, the regional specific Tampa Bay Lightning product coming from a SEA area distribution center.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:20 am

Cargojet and Amerijet are other recipients of those 9 leased jets
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:02 am

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Cargojet and Amerijet are other recipients of those 9 leased jets


Makes sense. ABX will be losing flying as Northern gets its own aircraft, so maybe CAM will have a couple of extra frames to lease to those two beyond the newly-converted ones.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:47 am

Somewhat off-topic, somewhat not. The FedEx peak flight schedule is out and there is an unusual pair of SEA-ABE daily during the entire month of peak. It being an A300 which is configured the same way as the Prime flights, with symmetrical AADs, I'm wondering if this is a dedicated flight that FX and Amazon have arranged to share for extra lift between the two. SEA and ABE are of course very important Amazon distribution centers but ABE is a comparative non-factor in the FX network.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:45 am

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Somewhat off-topic, somewhat not. The FedEx peak flight schedule is out and there is an unusual pair of SEA-ABE daily during the entire month of peak. It being an A300 which is configured the same way as the Prime flights, with symmetrical AADs, I'm wondering if this is a dedicated flight that FX and Amazon have arranged to share for extra lift between the two. SEA and ABE are of course very important Amazon distribution centers but ABE is a comparative non-factor in the FX network.


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Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:48 pm

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Somewhat off-topic, somewhat not. The FedEx peak flight schedule is out and there is an unusual pair of SEA-ABE daily during the entire month of peak. It being an A300 which is configured the same way as the Prime flights, with symmetrical AADs, I'm wondering if this is a dedicated flight that FX and Amazon have arranged to share for extra lift between the two. SEA and ABE are of course very important Amazon distribution centers but ABE is a comparative non-factor in the FX network.

Well... sort of. FX does have a pretty large Express facility a few miles from ABE.
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:57 pm

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Well... sort of. FX does have a pretty large Express facility a few miles from ABE.

The station is pretty large but in terms of a ramp and regional sort, ABE is pretty small, the main point is there is zero practical reason to link ABE with SEA of all places.
 
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:59 am

Looks like N7375A did a significant test flight BFM-BFM post-maintenance recently. 3+ hours. I heard she's being readied for sale and conversion, so it will be interesting to see where she's going.
 
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:14 am

HPRamper wrote:
Somewhat off-topic, somewhat not. The FedEx peak flight schedule is out and there is an unusual pair of SEA-ABE daily during the entire month of peak. It being an A300 which is configured the same way as the Prime flights, with symmetrical AADs, I'm wondering if this is a dedicated flight that FX and Amazon have arranged to share for extra lift between the two. SEA and ABE are of course very important Amazon distribution centers but ABE is a comparative non-factor in the FX network.


It probably is contingency planning, or Amazon managed to contract a Fedex plane for those centers. At IND for the nightsort, they use a 757 which half the time, the belly compartments are not used. So a 767 from SEA to ABE seems a bit..excessive.

Anyone hear anything of N077FE? That's the leased plane fedex had from LAN. It's been absent from operations for a few weeks/months, and the rumor is that Amazon might be taking it next. Note: Rumor.
 
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Anyone hear anything of N077FE? That's the leased plane fedex had from LAN. It's been absent from operations for a few weeks/months, and the rumor is that Amazon might be taking it next. Note: Rumor.

It's not showing as an active FX aircraft anymore (078 and 079 are still there). I'd be interested to know, myself.
 
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:43 pm

N68077 (the actual tail number) was moved by FedEx to MIA about two weeks ago, after spending about six weeks at BFM. It's definitely gone from FedEx. However, I doubt it is going to Amazon, at least directly. Going to MIA was presumably what sparked the Amazon rumours (i.e. Atlas has facilities there).

Its N-number is being changed to N532LA, a change authorized this week. This is the nomenclature that a lot of the LATAM Group and its predecessor entities have long used for tail numbers. A LATAM entity was leasing this frame to FedEx and it now looks like it is going to be leased to either a LATAM carrier or somebody else. Most likely, if it were going to Atlas for Amazon, its ownership would be transferred to Andromeda or Titan, which are the AAWW leasing entities, and its tail changed to a Prime Number ending in A. The ATSG entities have fulfilled their contract with Amazon as far as aircraft are concerned; i.e. they have fielded their 20 planes.
 
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:14 pm

N68077 returned to lessor 8/1/2017. No further lease, so it looks like staying with LATAM.
 
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:35 am

MID-AUGUST AMAZON PRIME ROUTE CHANGES

So...with the new aircraft recently added at Atlas and ATI, looks like some new routes coming, as well as some swapping of routes between carriers, and changes in aircraft size.

So far, just two changes are apparent:

SEA-BWI-SEA switches from ABX to GTI, and upgrades from a 767-200 to a 767-300.
RFD-ABE-RFD switches from ABX to ATI. At least at the moment it is still on a 767-200.

Apparently more coming. We should see some musical chairs the next couple of days before it all shakes out.
 
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:42 pm

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MID-AUGUST AMAZON PRIME ROUTE CHANGES

So...with the new aircraft recently added at Atlas and ATI, looks like some new routes coming, as well as some swapping of routes between carriers, and changes in aircraft size.

So far, just two changes are apparent:

SEA-BWI-SEA switches from ABX to GTI, and upgrades from a 767-200 to a 767-300.
RFD-ABE-RFD switches from ABX to ATI. At least at the moment it is still on a 767-200.

Apparently more coming. We should see some musical chairs the next couple of days before it all shakes out.


As always, I reserve the right to be surprised and wrong...

So, it looks like there's more than just a switch of carriers on ABE-RFD. Looks like the ATI route is going to be ABE-RFD-ONT-ABE-RFD. ATN 3754/56 and probably 55/57 on the return, or 53/55. We'll see. All on a 767-200 for now, as is typical for new routes.

Meanwhile, should anybody be concerned that ABX is losing two routes, it looks like it's gaining one from ATI. ATN3213/3214 is SKF-CVG-SKF on a 767-200. That looks like it may be going to ABX as ABX3415/3416.
 
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Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:44 pm

Anyone have any idea what the 3rd flight from CVG-TPA-CVG today is about? 6201 and 6202
 
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Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:51 pm

N395CM scheduled for delivery flight tomorrow morning TLV-SNN ETD 0845UTC
 
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It looks like Amazon is getting ready to expand their operation in Sacramento with a 40,000 sq. ft. air cargo facility at SMF. This comes after building a 855,0000-square-foot fulfillment center in Metro Air Park to the east of the airport. Another Bizjournal article says flights could start as early as next month. Any thoughts on how many flights they might add?

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2017/08/22/amazon-air-cargo-facility-gets-thumbs-up-from.html (behind paywall)
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:26 am

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It looks like Amazon is getting ready to expand their operation in Sacramento with a 40,000 sq. ft. air cargo facility at SMF. (...) Any thoughts on how many flights they might add?


So much for keeping private business decisions private. I guess when you need the Supervisors' approval, stuff will either leak out (which is how we found out about Aerosmith with all the local politicians leaking furiously) or will necessarily come out at the time of the public vote.

If I had to guess, I would surmise that you can count the number of flights at SCK and that's how many you're going to see initially at SMF. There was a little discussion on here early on about fog being an issue at SCK during certain times of year and diversions and perhaps departure delays being an issue there as a result. SMF was discussed at the time, particularly in light of the big distribution facility Amazon was building there, but then it was total radio silence on the issue and SCK continued to rock and roll. It seems that there are significant disadvantages to each of SCK, SMF and SFO/OAK as locations for the region's air node, but I guess SMF was the least-bad.

I guess it's possible that the SMF facility will be additive rather than a replacement, but it seems unlikely. Pity, as I'm sure the SCK folks were loving them some Amazon flights, and it is well-located to service a number of DCs.
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:30 am

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N395CM scheduled for delivery flight tomorrow morning TLV-SNN ETD 0845UTC


Awesome! A couple of weeks over 6 months for the whole shebang. I had been watching for a test flight but didn't see one.

Glad to see they are still moving along; I had heard there were some delays expected on some of the upcoming conversions. One more ex-AA aircraft seeing new life as a freighter!
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:56 am

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I had been watching for a test flight but didn't see one.

It did its test flight under its current tags N378AN. Assume it will fly to the US the same and change to N395CM post paint.
 
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There was a little discussion on here early on about fog being an issue at SCK during certain times of year and diversions and perhaps departure delays being an issue there as a result. SMF was discussed at the time, particularly in light of the big distribution facility Amazon was building there, but then it was total radio silence on the issue and SCK continued to rock and roll. It seems that there are significant disadvantages to each of SCK, SMF and SFO/OAK as locations for the region's air node, but I guess SMF was the least-bad.


Thanks for the info on this, much appreciated. I missed that whole discussion here but looking at those posts now I could see why Amazon would set up shop at SMF too.
 
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wjcandee wrote:
I had been watching for a test flight but didn't see one.

It did its test flight under its current tags N378AN. Assume it will fly to the US the same and change to N395CM post paint.


Well, that's odd, because it flew TO TLV as N395CM. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N395CM

Well, actually now looking more carefully at it, if flew to TLV as FLIGHT N395CM but under the reg N378AN. That's even weirder. "Curiouser and curiouser," said Alice.

Frankly, I misesd that: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N378AN

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Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:24 pm

Did not depart...flaps issue, going out on another test flight tomorrow morning
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:55 pm

Just a side note, Amazon Logistics seems to be able to get packages from the Moreno Valley, CA fulfillment center to my house in one day, even though such items are not marked as Free One-Day eligible (they are shipped on the day after I order). Packages from Moreno Valley bypass the Phoenix Sortation Center when Amazon Logistics is used, since I think there is a large enough volume from Moreno Valley to the Phoenix area. If USPS is used and the package is shipped from Moreno Valley then it is always shipped on Day 0, with Day 1 going to the Phoenix Sortation Center and Day 2 to the Post Office and to my house.
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:21 am

End of the week update, while watching pictures of the formation of Harvey's very-impressively-defined eye. Yikes. Glad I don't live in Corpus Christi.

1. Looks like 378AN (to be 395CM) had its second test flight at TLV today, as Yochai predicted. Hopefully, she's all fixed now, and can start home soon...

2. I guess the next one to keep an eye out for is N1373A, which has been at TLV since 2/20/17.

3. Meanwhile, 370AA has been in ILN, unpainted, since about two weeks ago. Given that Northern Air Services is supposed to be receiving an aircraft from CAM in early September, it seems increasingly-likely that that's the one they're gonna get, unless 395CM goes straight to paint and then to Northern. However, 395CM has always been identified as one that would be going to ATI, with 370AA being the one that wasn't tagged for any particular airline. Because they're all owned by CAM, it's certainly possible for them to switch things around with the consent of the lessees. But it looks like 370AA is going to be it. What I'm curious about is why she hasn't gone yet to paint, unless the parties are waiting for all the financial arrangements and such to be finalized before painting her. (Or perhaps she is being de-gremlin-ed, and it's taking longer than expected.)

4. The local media in SCK is very-excited about the new, substantially-sized Amazon DC that was just announced, to be constructed near the SCK airport. Nothing in the local SCK media about any effects on their Prime operations from the new Air facility that Amazon is building at SMF. We'll see what happens.

5. The new routes that Amazon added earlier this month seem to be flowing about as well as the existing ones, at least from my distance here. Still some slack in both the Atlas fleet and ATI fleet beyond the hot spares and, say, a maintenance spare in each operation, so maybe we'll see some new routes come September.
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:40 am

It is going to be very exciting to see the movement and routes when we get closer to Black Friday and the Holiday season. I was going by PHX today on I 10 and saw a beautiful Prime 767 on short final. I wish I wasn't driving so I could have taken some pictures.
 
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It is going to be very exciting to see the movement and routes when we get closer to Black Friday and the Holiday season. I was going by PHX today on I 10 and saw a beautiful Prime 767 on short final. I wish I wasn't driving so I could have taken some pictures.


I agree. Let's hope that the pilot unions and the airlines can come to some sort of agreement such that some of the more die-hard anti-company pilots don't intentionally take action to interfere with the operation during those periods. A few are certainly venting their frustrations and rattling sabres on the pilot boards, and at least one carrier has brought in a senior exec that would be expected to be despised by the union, so we will see.
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:36 pm

I wonder, which fulfillment centers would I likely get an order to go through SCK? Last time I had an order shipping from Tracy, CA it went via ground. From Reno, NV it went via UPS Ground. Perhaps the order timing might change that.
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:41 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
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It's also worth noting that virtually all the ATSG Aerosmith aircraft (all except the one that does ONT-ABE) travel through their maintenance base (ILN) on a daily basis, meaning a lot of little stuff has to be cleared daily, and providing an opportunity to take the a/c out of service to swap with a spare and fix anything that needs extra attention that it didn't get at the outstation. I understand that the practice in cargo operations like this is often to do repairs during the extensive downtime at the outstation, but I believe that passing through ILN reduces the opportunity legally to constantly defer stuff.


What does the fact that a plane goes thru a MX base have anything to do with how long something can be deferred?

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Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:02 pm

N395CM is now sceduled for delivery Sunday morning at 0755UTC TLV-SNN
 
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3. Meanwhile, 370AA has been in ILN, unpainted, since about two weeks ago. Given that Northern Air Services is supposed to be receiving an aircraft from CAM in early September, it seems increasingly-likely that that's the one they're gonna get, unless 395CM goes straight to paint and then to Northern. However, 395CM has always been identified as one that would be going to ATI, with 370AA being the one that wasn't tagged for any particular airline. Because they're all owned by CAM, it's certainly possible for them to switch things around with the consent of the lessees. But it looks like 370AA is going to be it. What I'm curious about is why she hasn't gone yet to paint, unless the parties are waiting for all the financial arrangements and such to be finalized before painting her. (Or perhaps she is being de-gremlin-ed, and it's taking longer than expected.)



N370AA was transferred to a company called ATSG West Leasing Ltd. earlier in the month.
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:32 pm

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Let's hope that the pilot unions and the airlines can come to some sort of agreement such that some of the more die-hard anti-company pilots don't intentionally take action to interfere with the operation during those periods.


A curious modifier, "anti-company", to describe professional pilots who presumably want to retain a work environment concurrent with existing industry standards. What if it was more a case of these cut-throat, profit at any cost companies being "anti-employee?"
 
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:19 pm

Interestingly, my most recent order took an odd detour, shipping from Moreno Valley, departing from ONT to CVG, then from CVG back to PHX. Normally my shipments from Moreno Valley come via ground.
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:28 am

So 378AN (to be 395CM) is back in the US after conversion. Just under 7 months for the whole process: 2/4/17 to 8/28/17.
 
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:34 am

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N370AA was transferred to a company called ATSG West Leasing Ltd. earlier in the month.


Well, that's actually interesting. That's an ATSG subsidiary with offices in Shannon, Ireland. Its directors are all ATSG employees and friends (Hete, Turner, various legal functionaries, etc.), it appears. It is the entity that they used to buy those two 737-400s from Automatic earlier this year, for conversion to freighters by PEMCO and then to be dry-leased to a Chinese airline.

The press release regarding Northern Aviation said that CAM had signed the contract to lease 3 767-300BDSFs to Northern. Doesn't mean they can't change things up a bit in the interim, presumably for tax or regulatory purposes, but it is interesting. Given that the first plane was to be delivered in October 2017, it seemed like 370AA was the obvious candidate as the first aircraft, since 395CM was slated for ATI. Now that 395CM is back from conversion at TLV, it certainly could be painted and readied for October delivery, if that's the plan, but I guess we'll see.

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