watewate
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Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sat Dec 02, 2000 8:01 am

Any ideas/opinions? There's an airport building boom in Asia, with Hong Kong, Kuala Lumper, Osaka, Seoul and other cities building huge, state of the art airports. Which one(s) will come out a winner? I think it's quite safe to rule of Kansai for obvious reasons. I have to say new Seoul (Inchon) airport will do well if its dominant tenants (Korean and Asiana) take advantage of its strategic location.
 
kevin
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sat Dec 02, 2000 8:05 am

I do guess it will be the new Shanghai airport, since in the past 10-15 years the world saw a huge Chinese domination and everyone wants to favour the Chinese.
 
chiawei
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sat Dec 02, 2000 8:12 am

I think only CLK would have the possibility to be one of the top airport in Asia.

I believe the second would be Shanghai's new Pudong airport.

Shanghai is about 1 hour away by car from China's biggest industry park. China will be one the bigger economic power, therefore Pudong will probably become the biggest of the Asian Airport.
 
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sat Dec 02, 2000 8:15 am

I'm going to have to go with Inchon, as well.

Narita and Kansai are good choices, however they are both packed (NRT especially), and have extremely high landing fees.

Hong Kong has high landing fees as well (not as high as Japan, though), and is out of range for most flights wanting to carry any payload from points East of Denver.

Taipei, being only :45 airtime from HKG is in the same range dillema as HKG.

Inchon, though, looks as if it will come out on top. Significantly lower landing fees than Hong Kong and Narita, plenty of space, brand new facilities and technologies, and as Seoul is fairly close to Japan, it is easily accessable to every US, Asian, and European airport.

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watewate
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sat Dec 02, 2000 10:22 am

In reply to FLY777UAL,
I agree with you on all points except one- Kansai is not packed. Many foreign airlines are deserting the airport due to its ridiculous landing fees. Frequencies are drastically cut of the route is chopped altogether.
I think Kansai is the biggest waste of money. Sinking island is one thing, but they are building a second runway in even deeper water- a dangerous proposition. Not to mention the new Kobe and Nagoya airports being built only miles away. One of them's gotta go.
 
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sat Dec 02, 2000 10:47 am

CLK,CLK,CLK,CLK,CLK,CLK,CLK,CLK,CLK,CLK,CLK,CLK,CLK

CLK have now started to do special offeres for carriers that operate new routes. They give them like 50% off for the first year and 25% off the second year.
 
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sat Dec 02, 2000 12:41 pm

From a passenger's point of view...Kansai!!! Very nice airport terminal architecture with many shops and restaraunts. Even though airlines are leaving, its a great place to spot. Too bad its losing money and airlines.   BTW...It's a much better place to fly to if you're connecting to a domestic flight---Narita has only a few domesic destinations. I've been to Kansai six times, and it is not crowded at all. One problem, though, is PSFC prices are high, 2,600 yen/about $30USD for adults.

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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sat Dec 02, 2000 1:24 pm

INCHON...
It is in the centre of all major airports around the world. I had the priveledge to see phots of it inside the Korean Air Magazine. Now that British airways has signed up i am sure that it is going to be big. BA has cut of Malaysia so you can rule of that one. CLK Has to high landing fees and is just doing that 50% discount thing so that airliners will not choose Inchon over it. Narita is not great. Needs a face lift. Kansai- I do not know. And Taipei has no ground radar easy for a aircraft to crash.
So i would diffinately choose INCHON. Looks great. Can't wait for NZ to fly their in the near future.
cheers
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sat Dec 02, 2000 1:53 pm

i would say HKG (CLK) since i'd lived there before. so..., it's a totally partial choice by me!!

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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sat Dec 02, 2000 2:21 pm

I think Inchon will reign supreme in the coming years. It has a strategic location, 24-hour operations, a good hub airline, and brand new, state-of-the-art facilities, what more could you want? Well, how about some of the lowest landing fees in Asia? Or the fact that it is better positioned to flights to Northern Europe and North America than just about any Asian airport? Airlines love to hear this stuff, especially any of it pertaining to ways they can keep more cash in their pocket. I think Delta will capitalise on their relationship with Korean to help develop an Asian hub, and I think many new entrants will start, like American. Look for Inchon, Seoul, South Korea to soar in the coming years.

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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sat Dec 02, 2000 5:48 pm

Does no-one here know that Changi will have it's third Singapore Airlines Terminal 3?!?!?!?

I don't know about the others but SIA Changi has been voted best airports for loads of years and I think they will fight to retain that title when these new airports come in. Will they accomodate the A3XX though (the other new airports in Asia)???
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sat Dec 02, 2000 5:59 pm

Changi Airport!

The Awards Say it All:

Business Traveller
(Asia Pacific) Asia Pacific 1)
Best Airport in the World

Best Airport Shopping
2000 Travel Awards 9 (1992-2000)

Business Traveller
(UK) World 1)
Best Airport in the World

Best Airport for Duty-Free Shopping
Business Traveller Awards 13 (1998-2000)

Cargonews Asia Asia Best Airport: Regional (Asia) Asian Freight Industry Awards 14 (1987-2000)

Condé Nast Traveller (UK) World World's Best Airport Business Traveler (Asia/Pacific) Awards 2 (1999-2000)

Duty Free News International World Airport Authority in Asia/Pacific with the most supportive approach in Travel Retail The Raven Fox Awards 3 (1998-2000)

2000 IATA Global Airport Monitor World 1)
Best Airport Worldwide

Best Airport
Asia Pacific
- include Middle East (Category: over 25 million passengers per annum)

Airport Service Excellence Award 2000 (Inaugural) 3 (1997-1998, 2000)

International Federation of Airline Pilots Association (IFALPA) World Deficiency-free - 20 (1981-2000)

OAG Worldwide World Best International Airport Airline of the Year Awards (formerly given by Executive Travel UK) 10 (1989 to 1990,
1992 to 1994, 1996-2000)

Selling Long-Haul UK and Ireland Best Long-Haul Overseas Airport Selling Long-Haul and Selling Short Breaks Travel Industry Awards (Inaugural) 1 (2000)

The Asian Wall Street Journal (AWSJ) and CNBC Asia Asia Pacific Best Airport in Asia Pacific The Asian Travel Survey Awards 2(1999-2000)

The Daily Telegraph (UK) & The Sunday Telegraph UK Best International Airport The Telegraph Travel Awards 3(1988-2000)

Travel Trade Gazette & PATA Travel News Asia Pacific Best Airport (Asia Pacific) Pacific Asia Travel Association (PATA) Travel Mart 12(1989-2000)

RECENT AWARDS THIS YEAR INCLUDE:

'Best Airport In The World' and 'Best Airport Shopping' - Business Traveller (Asia Pacific)

'World's Best Airport' - Conde Nast Traveller (UK)

'Deficiency-Free Airport' - International Federation of Airline Pilots Association (IFALPA)

'Best Airport Worldwide' and 'Best Airport Asia Pacific' in the over 25 million passengers airport category - International Air Travel Association (IATA)

'Best Long Haul Overseas Airport' - Selling Long-Haul, a UK-based magazine

'Best Airport : Regional (Asia)' - Cargonews Asia

'Best Airport in Asia Pacific' - Asian Travel Survey Awards 2000

'Best Airport (Asia Pacific)' - TTG & PATA Travel News

'Best International Airport' - OAG Worlwide Airline of the Year Awards

'Best Airport Authority with the Most Supportive Approach in Travel Retail' - Duty Free News International (UK)



 
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sat Dec 02, 2000 7:09 pm

How can you say Changi if Inchon has not been open yet? You cannot compare an airport to another that has not been opened yet!
Have they ever asked the FA's or Pilots which airport they think is the best Australasian/Asian airport to land in?
YES!!!!
90% said Auckland international for all of the things listed by FaisZ. Great airport to land in pilots said and FA's great shopping and facilities.
Cheers
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sun Dec 03, 2000 12:12 am

Well then Mikey, enlighten us. What is inchon?
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watewate
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sun Dec 03, 2000 11:49 am

It doesn't really matter if pilots or F/A's enjoy flying to a particular airport. If operations out of that particular makes money- airlines will flock to there.
 
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sun Dec 03, 2000 12:45 pm

Problem with Akl is that it only has a single runway (which is currently undergoing major construction work: Right now the main taxiway is being strenghthened. This is going to be used as a temporary runway, and the domestic apron as a temporary taxiway [which means that ANZ Domestic have to move out of the great offices that overlook the runway, what a shame, its a nice place to work]. The runway is going to be strengthened. I hope no one tries to use it while its under construction, though....)

Getting back onto topic, Auckland is a nice airport, it has just been redone inside. However it is small. The strategic development plan calls for a major increase of terminal size (part of which has already been completed, the aforementioned interior redo). There will also eventually be a second, parallel runway.

There is one major problem with AKL, it is out of the way. It is a good staging point for the south pacific from Asia and Europe, but it is not at a major crossroads of anything...
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sun Dec 03, 2000 12:52 pm

I think that CLK will end up on top in the long run. They have reasonable room for expansion, they are at the heart of one of, if not the biggest centre of commerce in the Asia-Pacific region, and their facilities are
state of the art.
Inchon looks like it has great potential, but we'll have to see how smoothly it actually runs.
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Sun Dec 03, 2000 6:34 pm


Singapore_air:
Yongjong island in Inchon is Korean new international airport's site. You will be surprised if you were told that Inchon International Airport (short for IIA) has the area that is 1/4 of a whole Singapore.
And IIA is not competetor with SIN. It is apart from each other for more than 3000 miles and within 20 years, there is no way to fly nonstop-routes from Singapore to the US. SQ operates 12 Kimpo-US flights weekly.

Kansai and Narita cannot be the top. Why? In fact they are even smaller than Kimpo. Naturally it cannon compete with IIA, CLK, or PVD. And these Boneheads in Japanese government decided to make 3rd, 4th airport!! Why they don't know even the 2nd airport is Sinking in Ocean and Loan!!

Of course there is some problems to IIA. Just 50 miles from the airport there is the war-zone and it doesn't look to be broken in near days. But still it's much more attractive than Japanese airports. The Greatest huddle is absence of Airport Railway; It is planned to be complete in 2007. Until then the access must be made by 8-laned highway.

Inchon International Airport : www.airport.or.kr
...But don't expect so hostile replys.
 
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Mon Dec 04, 2000 1:31 pm

Annyonghaseyo datamanA340,
Well said speech about Inchon. Getting of the topic, i recently visited Korea and might i add, what a beautiful country. I am learning how to speck the language know.
I will just introduce myself:
annyonghaseyo,
je irumun michael ieyo.
jonun kelston namja godung hakgyo sip hak nyon ieyo.
Well talk soon sorry i can say way more. My mother is getting angry for me to get of the internet.
Till next time
Jal itssoyo
mikey  
 
watewate
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Mon Dec 04, 2000 1:56 pm

Very well said DatamanA340.
Another advantage for IIA that's often overlooked is the potential savings in time and fuel when North Korea opens up its airspace over water.
One thing for sure, I'm there for 2002 World Cup and you can bet I'll invest a couple days at IIA.
 
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Mon Dec 04, 2000 1:59 pm

Changi
 
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Mon Dec 04, 2000 2:30 pm

You know what? Kansai airport is sinking, so I think Kansai won't have that much advantage for Japanese Airline, unless they build a new one again.

To me, I think Singapore Airport will come out on top.then will be Hong Kong.
 
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Mon Dec 04, 2000 4:19 pm

Is it my mistake or isn't NRT a huge center for flights from all corners of the globe (except South America, but there are 1 stops) I don't see why NRT won't stay up there on the top. ANA & JAL are both huge Asian airlines and JAA is not so bad itself. Any North American Airline that flies to Asia goes to NRT, same goes for European, Asian and the one African Airline (Egypt Air) that travels to Eastern Asia. The only Airlines that I can think of that go to East Asia from Europe (yea I know Israel is technically Asia) that don't fly to NRT are El Al, Turkish and Olympic. All the major Asian airlines go there as well, Korean, Asiana, China Airlines, Eva Air, Cathay, Thai, Malysia, Singapore, Garuda, Phillipine, Air India, China Eastern and I think China Southern. Qantas and Air New Zealand both have flights in from Oceania and Varig has a 4 times weekly flight from LA that starts in Sao Paulo/Rio, Brazil. There are thousands of people that go there every day on domestic flights. I don't see why it will soon be so overpowered by all of the other large powerful Asian airports.
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Mon Dec 04, 2000 4:34 pm

I seriously doubt that Ichon will have any change to compete with Pudoong the new shanghai international airport.

Conside China will be the biggest economical and industrial power in about 10-20 years. Shanghai will the what New York is today but with even stronger industrial stregth.

Just think component made all over Asia will be pull into Shangai's industrial park and goods will be shipped to N.A.

Ichon will not be able to make it since Korea does not have the economic potential like Shanghai.

 
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Mon Dec 04, 2000 4:55 pm

Aio86:
Narita is seriously short of capacity. KAL provided 48 weekly flights at 1988, 35 to Seoul, 6 to Pusan and 7 to LAX, but now it has only 41 flights. Of course AAR is founded since then, but AAR only operates 6 weekly flights. That says Narita can't attract more passengers, and even now it has just 50s weekly domestic flights. You cannot say Narita as a top airport.
Is one of those Asian airlines fly to Narita?: Air Macau, Vladivostok Air, Uzbekistan Airways, MIAT and China Northwest, all of those are already in Seoul. ANA moves long-hauls from Kansai to Narita, and the shortage of capacity grows.

Chiawei:
So, has Pudong taken over even Seoul? Chinese cargo flow is greater in Seoul than Pudong, and Peking (or Shenyang, Qingdao, Dalian, and so.)-Seoul-US transfer is far more powerful than that of Shanghai. Shanghai's greatest weakness is absence of major airline. One of KAL and CPA can beat all of Air China, China Eastern and China Southern. And the No.1 in Shanghai, MU, is still mostly run in Hongqiao. Don't forget world 2nd international cargo airline and other 46 airliners in new airport.

I think Mega-Hub in Asia is mere dream of govts, but if it can be, it must be IIA.
 
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Mon Dec 04, 2000 4:56 pm

Maybe in 10-20 years the US and China could also hammer out a much more liberal air policy.

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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Mon Dec 04, 2000 5:16 pm

KLIA:Its stuck between Changi and Bangkok so its not much of a competitor.Just look at Brussels in Belgium,its stuck between Amsterdam,London, and Paris.It could be something in the future,but it wont be a major hub unless SIN goes haywire or Malaysia really starts booming and becomes a major world player.

CLK:A good choice for a southen gateway to China

Inchon:This could be another big one.The moment North korea and South Korea settle their problems I think the Korean Peninsula will boom in air traffic.

Pudong(Shanghai):This is my bet for the asian hub of the 21st century.China is becoming an econmic power and with 1 billion plus population its going places.

 
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Mon Dec 04, 2000 5:43 pm

>Chiawei:
So, has Pudong taken over even Seoul? Chinese cargo flow is greater in Seoul than
Pudong, and Peking (or Shenyang, Qingdao, Dalian, and so.)-Seoul-US transfer is far
more powerful than that of Shanghai. Shanghai's greatest weakness is absence of
major airline. One of KAL and CPA can beat all of Air China, China Eastern and
China Southern. And the No.1 in Shanghai, MU, is still mostly run in Hongqiao. Don't
forget world 2nd international cargo airline and other 46 airliners in new airport. <

Again I seriously doubt the long term growth in Ichon. Korean labor is not that cheap. As more and more hi-tech manufacturing moves to China, Korea will be bypassed. There is no way to dispute that.

Again, Pudong is only 40 minutes by car from China's biggest hi-tech industrial park this is something that Korea can not come close.

Like i said, people will flock where the money growth is. That is not singapore, malaysia. nor it is korea either.

Also as of now PuDong is only 20% complete with only 1 runway and 1 terminal in use. By the time it is finished it will have 4 more terminal as well as 3 more runway. It will be able to handle way more than CLK. So your point make no sense as you do not know the full plan for Pudong.

Also more and more airline are switching over to Pudong such as Virgin and Turkish. Pudong and Hongquiao will be like Narita and Haneda.

CLK will also be replaced by Pudong as new China gateway. Perhaps not now. But as business expands, Pudong will. But Seoul does not have that potentail for growth.

P.S. I am from Taiwan, and I hate the mainlanders. But truth is the truth.
 
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RE: Which Asian Airport Will Come Out On Top?

Mon Dec 04, 2000 7:48 pm

what carriers are leveng kansai.

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