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Iberia DC-10

Thu Dec 07, 2000 6:01 am

Last week Iberia's DC-10 Costas Canarias did its last flight from CCS to MAD.

Does anyone know where will they go now? yesterday three of them were parked at Barajas airport in Mad.
Why do they retire them? i believe iberia could have started new routes like SIN, LAX, HKG, BOS, DEL....
What do you think about it?

I have to say that i will miss seeing those beautiful birds in MAD.

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RE: Well...

Thu Dec 07, 2000 5:24 pm


I don't know really what it will be of those great airplanes. But I know by sure why they do retire them...

Iberia is trying to update its entire fleet at the moment. Trying to keep a 12 year average for the entire fleet.
They are replacing old birds with new ones and DC-10's were one of Iberia's old planes...
The A-340 is the new aircraft replacing DC-10's... Service to Caracas is right know with A-340.
The A-320 and the 757 are the new ones replacing Iberia's old 727.
And the replacement for the DC-9 is the MD-87.
Remember those DC-9's in Miami? Now they are only MD-87.
The aircraft with no substitute for the moment is the 747-200... They are really thinking in which one will fit as a replacement of a such good and efficient bird for Iberia. (Maybe a 747-400 or more A-340's)
Who knows? We'll see.

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La verdad es que no sé que será de esos grandes aviones. De lo que sí estoy seguro es de por qué los retiraron...

Iberia está tratando de actualizar por el momento toda la flota. Tratando de mantener un promedio de doce años de antigüedad para toda la flota, por lo tanto están reemplazando todos los aviones ya con muchas horas de uso y los DC-10 eran unos de esos.
Los A-340 son los nuevos que están reemplazando los viejos DC-10...
Ahora los vuelos a Caracas son en A-340.
Los A-320 y los 757 son también el reemplazo por los 727.
Y finalmente el reemplazo por el DC-9 es el MD-87. ¿Recuerdan esos DC-9 en Miami? Ahora son sólo MD-87.
El avión sin reemplazo (hasta ahora) es el 747-200... Iberia la está pensando muy bien... tratar de encontrar un avión que ajuste bien a uno que les ha funcionado muy bien y eficientemente. (Tal vez ún 747-400 o un A-340)
¿Quién sabe? Ya veremos...

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RE: Iberia DC-10

Thu Dec 07, 2000 5:46 pm

Iberia still operates the B727-200 INTO Dublin airport. It's great to see such as classic machine still in passehger use with Iberia on a daily basis. The plane arrived at 11:30am and departs at 12:20pm for BCN and then onwards to MAD. DUB must be one of the only european destinations served by the reliable 727 besides the domestic destinations. Iberia had used 320s and M87s on the route beforehand, but have used 727's for the past six years constantly.
On the 747-200 front, I heard rumours that Iberia were to swap three of their 747-200's for three of Air Atlanta's newer 747-300's. An interim replacement for the 747-200. In the longer term, I'd say that Iberia will opt for more A340's of even the A340-600.
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RE: Iberia DC-10

Thu Dec 07, 2000 9:28 pm

BCN-JFK used to be a D10, now it's either an A340 or a 763.Last night was a 763.(GTI) For those who are interested.
Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
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RE: Iberia DC-10

Thu Dec 07, 2000 10:05 pm

Hi Joaquin,

Sure you are right when saying they were to old, but still in good shape. But what about Iberia opening new longhaul routes with them? Iberia now a days has no flights to Asia and only one to Africa. What do you think about concentrating all its flights to south america.

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RE: Iberia DC-10

Thu Dec 07, 2000 10:55 pm

do you think IB could fly profitably and on a regular basis to asia?
I think it's a shame IB concentrates only on south america, but seen the congestion at barajas??? IB couldn't use barajas as a hub to fill up its planes to asia so I'm not sure the planes could fly profitably only transporting spanyards (SQ and NH are flying to spain carrying their nationals)...and IB needs to concentrate on matters they know
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RE: Iberia DC-10

Fri Dec 08, 2000 12:00 am

I'd say, that the DC-10 have to leave the fleet because of the high direct operating costs, even if the are paid already and even if they are in a good shape.

As for flights to SE-Asia, it still amazes me, that there are only a few destinations operated directly from MAD. A reason could be, that MAD is geographically good situatd in Europe for a hub to SE-Asia. Other airports (FRA, ZRH, CDG) are better located in Europe. That's perhaps also, why Iberia codeshares with AF on SE-Asian destinations.

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Toooooo Old!

Fri Dec 08, 2000 2:55 am

These terrible Diesel 10'S are too old!!!!!!!
They have to be retired!!!!!!
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RE: IB Is "Leader Between Europe And Latinamerica"

Fri Dec 08, 2000 2:25 pm


Just three or four months ago, Iberia launched another flight 4 times per week among the daily flight from Madrid to Buenos Aires. This means Iberia is flying 11 times per week from Madrid to Buenos Aires you can imagine how good are load factors between Spain and Latinamerica.

Iberia's CEO, Xabier de Ibarala said a few months ago IB's priority is Latinamerica and Europe among updating the fleet.
So you may know why IB is not serving other long haul routes.

Iberia used to serve Tokyo via Moscow 2 years ago but they closed this route due to the fact there was not so many people flying this route. In the other hand flights from Madrid to Mexico City, Bogota, New York, Miami, Santiago and Buenos Aires are always full.

Af3876, for your questions about IB's Asian and African flights...
Iberia's only 2 Asian destination are Istanbul (Flight 6965 serviced with an MD-87. This flight is in a daily basis from Barcelona) and Tel Aviv (Flight 6990 serviced with a 757-200. This flight is also in a daily basis from Barcelona).
Iberia's Africans destinations are Casablanca, Dakar, Malabo and Johannesburg.

Hope I've answered your questions.

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Bueno, hace tres o cuatro meses Iberia lanzó otro vuelo cuatro veces a la semana entre Madrid y Buenos Aires esto sumado al vuelo diario que se ha realizado todo este tiempo. Esto ya significa que Iberia está volando once veces por semana entre Madrid y Barcelona, se imaginarán los factores de ocupación tan grandes que hay entre Europa y América Latina.

El Director General de Iberia, Xabier de Ibarala, hizo hincapié unos meses atrás acerca de las prioridades a corto plazo que Iberia tiene reservadas; América Latina y la actualización constante de su flota.
Así que ya se imaginarán por qué Iberia no se ha arriesgado a lanzarse por rutas de mayor alcance.

Iberia solía llegar a Tokio vía Moscú hace unos años pero la cortaron porque no había gran tráfico en esta ruta, no obstante, los vuelos de Iberia de Madrid a la Ciudad de México, Bogotá, Nueva York, Miami, Santiago de Chile y Buenos Aires están casi siempre llenos.

Af3876, para tu pregunta acerca de los vuelos africanos y asiáticos de Iberia...
Los únicos dos vuelos asiáticos de Iberia son los que tienen por destino Estambul (Vuelo 6965 en servicio con un MD-87. Este vuelo es diario desde Barcelona) y Tel Aviv (Vuelo 6990 en servicio con un 757-200. Este vuelo también es diario desde Barcelona).
En cuanto a los destinos africanos Casablanca, Dakar, Málabo y Johanesburgo son servidas por Iberia.

Espero haber ayudado,

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