zanadou
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Submarine Aircraft Carrier?

Thu Dec 07, 2000 4:11 pm

Not really Civil Aviation but worth a look:



The Royal Australian Navy Skyhawk, being an all-purpose aircraft, was the subject of a 1970s experimental sea trial of an A-4 on board a Royal Australian Navy submarine. There was no objection from the aviators to operating the Skyhawk from the somewhat limited deck space of the submarine. A problem with the Skyhawk's turbine cavitating while underway submerged was overcome. The diesel catapult worked just fine. However, the experiment was abandoned when the submarine's CO objected to the jet blast burning the paintwork off the sail.
Photograph courtesy of the Australian Naval Aircraft Museum: Mark Clayton, Director; Windy Geale, Curator


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RE: Submarine Aircraft Carrier?

Thu Dec 07, 2000 4:51 pm

Trust the ADF to come up with some pointless exercise at taxpayer expense.

What I would be more impressed with is the photo of the Skyhawk landing on the sub 

 
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RE: Submarine Aircraft Carrier?

Thu Dec 07, 2000 5:24 pm

Discovery or History Channel had a "What If" type scenario about the Japanese in WW-II. They had plans for a submarine/aircraft carrier that would launch attacks on the Panama Canal amongst other targets. The schematics were drawn to computer simulations and presented during the program.
 
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RE: Submarine Aircraft Carrier?

Thu Dec 07, 2000 6:36 pm

The japanese did build 3 or 4 of these huge submarines, which were by far the largest in the world at the time. But they never got round to the mission they were built for.

The British and the French both experimented with the idea in the 1920s and 30s, and built some monsters as well, but not as big as the Japanese version, which if I recall could carry 4 aircraft.

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RE: Submarine Aircraft Carrier?

Thu Dec 07, 2000 8:46 pm

The Japanese actually launched a float plane from a submarine off Cape Otway southwest of Melbourne during the war. It flew up over Port Phillip Heads along the west coast of Port Phillip bay over the RAAF base at Laverton/Point Cook where it was actually sighted by airforce personnel. Hundreds of civilians saw it also. It then flew down the bay back to the heads and back to the sub at Cape Otway. The pilot is still alive and was interviewed a few years ago for Lew Linds book TOKU-TAI,which relates the whole story plus many more.
 
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RE: Submarine Aircraft Carrier?

Fri Dec 08, 2000 1:14 am

Are those the Japanese I-boats?

The Germans also carried collapsible float planes on some submarines, for reconnaisance purposes.

A skyhawk on a sub is rediculous. Internal space is limited- where would they put it? How would they get it below deck to dive, or did they just strap it down, sink, and hope for the best?
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RE: Submarine Aircraft Carrier?

Fri Dec 08, 2000 7:22 am

This hearkens back to the dark days of WWII when the German FW 200 long-range bombers were threatening the convoys and vectoring submarines in on them. The British put a Hurricane on a merchatman and sent it off the deck with RATO jets. But the catch is that there was no way to recover the aircraft. The pilot had to ditch.

And A-4 experiment looks like that, except that they throw away a bigger, more expensive plane.
 
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RE: Submarine Aircraft Carrier?

Fri Dec 08, 2000 10:28 am

Obviously it was a slow day at HMAS Albatross (NAS Nowra) in the photography section, but a good trick photo anyway lads.
 
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RE: Submarine Aircraft Carrier?

Fri Dec 08, 2000 10:52 am

It took the RAF Research division 3 years to develop an oxidizer that was inserted into the jet fuel through a high-tech carbonation process. This enabled the aircraft to be started while submurged and launched seconds after the sub surfaced. They did, however, suffer FOD from fish strikes.
 
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RE: Submarine Aircraft Carrier?

Fri Dec 08, 2000 11:11 am

"Fish Strike" Now that would look good on a accident report...

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Zanadou FYI

Fri Dec 08, 2000 6:49 pm

Just FYI....

Alaska Airlines did have a fish stike a few years back with a 737 coming out of the Juneau, Alaska Airport.

Here is a copy of the incident report that is in the FAA database. You can look it up yourself and see that I am not making it up.

Data Source: FAA INCIDENT DATA SYSTEM
Report Number: 19870330027849C
Local Date: 03/30/1987
Local Time: 10:56
City: JUNEAU
State: AK
Airport Name: JUNEAU INTL
Airport Id: JNU
Event Type: INCIDENT - AIR CARRIER
Mid Air Collision: NOT A MIDAIR
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Aircraft Information
Aircraft Damage: NONE
Phase of Flight: TO INITIAL CLIMB (1ST POWER REDUCTION)
Aircraft Make/Model: BOEING B-737-200
Airframe Hours:
Operator Code: ASAA
Operator: ALASKA AIRLINES INC - ASAA
Owner Name: ALASKA AIRLINES INC
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Narrative
AS AIRCRAFT TOOK OFF AN EAGLE CARRYING A LARGE FISH WAS NOTED ABOVE.
EAGLE DROPPED FISH WHICH STRUCK FUSELAGE.















--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Detail
Primary Flight Type: SCHEDULED AIR CARRIER
Secondary Flight Type: PASSENGERS AND CARGO
Type of Operation: AIR CARRIER/COMMERCIAL
Registration Number: 741AS
Total Aboard: 30
Fatalities: 0
Injuries: 0

Landing Gear:
Aircraft Weight Class: OVER 12500 LBS
Engine Make:
Engine Model:
Engine Group:
Number of Engines: 2
Engine Type:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Environmental/Operations Information
Primary Flight Conditions: VISUAL FLIGHT RULES
Secondary Flight Conditions: WEATHER NOT A FACTOR
Wind Direction (deg): 10
Wind Speed (mph): 10
Visibility (mi): 7
Visibility Restrictions:
Light Condition: DAY
Flight Plan Filed: INSTRUMENT FLIGHT RULES
Approach Type:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pilot-in-Command
Pilot Certificates: AIRLINE TRANSPORT
Pilot Rating: AIRPLANE SINGLE, MULTI-ENGINE LAND
Pilot Qualification: QUALIFIED

Flight Time (Hours)

Total Hours:
Total in Make/Model: 0
Total Last 90 Days: 0
Total Last 90 Days Make/Model: 0

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RE: Fishstrike!

Fri Dec 08, 2000 8:37 pm

Hey, that's a good one! Almost worthy of a topic of it's own.

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