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Midwest Express/Skyway Embraer Order?

Mon Dec 11, 2000 7:04 am

I saw the other day Skyway had a USAirways ERJ-145 at their hanger for evaulation. Just today there was an article in the Milwaukee Journal about how Skyway and Midwest are looking at other RJ types now that Dornier canned the D-428JET. The part that caught my attention was Midwest is looking at ordering EMB's for Skyway and also Midwest???? Can anyone shed some light on this topic.

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RE: Midwest Express/Skyway Embraer Order?

Mon Dec 11, 2000 7:22 am

Perhaps, somehow related to their new "hub" at MCI, where service to smaller midwest communities wouldn't be justified in a DC-9, but a ERJ would....

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RE: Midwest Express/Skyway Embraer Order?

Mon Dec 11, 2000 7:29 am

Highly doubtful. Skyway said the ERJ and CRJ's cabins are too cramped compared to the (relatively) spacious 328JET.
 
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RE: Midwest Express/Skyway Embraer Order?

Mon Dec 11, 2000 11:15 am

I agree with MD90 in that from what I've read the cabins are smaller and too cramped for Skyways needs. However, I can see it not wanting to fly several types of aircraft, with the beech and 328, then to add a third different manufacture? The Journal article suggested a possiblity of trading in the 328s for a new RJ type, but that would seem like a lot of money lost since they put in a lot of money to get them flying. So my guess is as good as anyones as far as the future appearance of the Midex and skyway fleets. The article also said skyway hopes to make a announcment by the end of the month regarding its RJ future. I've always been under the impression Midex was very interested in 717? So if it gets the 717 and used the MD series for longer hauls, that would seem to solve that question. But then what about Skyway. Isn't Skyway keeping its order for additional 328s and aren't those coming in service first quarter of 2001. So for my limited analysis of them, it sounds like they will be purchasing new larger RJs, and it would seem that Canadian Bombider (sp?) would be the way to go. That's my 2 cents for what's it's worth.
 
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RE: Midwest Express/Skyway Embraer Order?

Tue Dec 12, 2000 2:03 am

I think for Skyway to keep their 5 D-328's would be stupid for them. What Midwest needs is a plane big enough to replace the older Dc-9-10's and small enough to operate into towns like CWA and into smaller towns down south out of the new MCI hub.
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RE: Midwest Express/Skyway Embraer Order?

Tue Dec 12, 2000 3:33 am

Skyway not only built a new hangar as the article pointed out, it also spent a LOT of money training the first crews and getting their DO 328Jet aircraft opertations up to snuff in US standards. It is, however, not too far off from the 328prop--it's only about 60kts faster but, I guess the Honeywell Primus that it has is reconfigured for jet engines. I have non-reved a couple of times on the 328Jet, it can climb like a bat out of hell that's for sure.

When these aircraft first came on line, there was turmoil at Skyway. Crew shortages, service disruptions--typical growth pains. Exacerbated by the fact that this was a jet without a lot of experiences to fall back on.

The 328Jet is actually perfect, size wise, for some of the markets it serves for Skyway. The problem is that it's kind of a complementary item--it was supposed to go hand-in-hand with the 428. Now, I think that they'll be dumped in very short order. Especially with the Embraer salespeople on the showroom floor with a new set of wings.

There was even a lot of cockpit talk (rumors) over the summer that Midex was going to look beyond the 328/428 into the larger FAIDORs to take care of the Diesel 9s. MIDEX was in love with FAIDOR. All that has changed. Nothing like standing your date up at the prom, I guess.

Recently, the rumor winds have blown in the direction of the 717. It's been said that the 717 price came down so much, that it was a done deal--just waiting for the announcement.

Skyway is configured to operate as a totally separate entity from MIDEX even though they're owned by them. The maintenance hangars are in two separate locations, and their accounting and operations remain apart. There won't be any fleet commonality issues between MIDEX and Skyway, but within....each one will want to have a common airframe.

My guess is that the announcement on the Diesel 9's replacement and the 328Jet issue will be bundled together the way it was done in 1989 (when I was just a young lad and not with the company--just out of college) when MIDEX announced the acquisition of two brand, spanking new MD-88s and feeder service with SKYWAY.

The next few months will be interesting for YX and Skyway. That's for sure, but I'm moving on. I'm looking at a possible class date of 21 January with a great big airline. DC-9CAPT is soon, most likely, going to be sitting sideways for a year's worth of probation.
 
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RE: Midwest Express/Skyway Embraer Order?

Tue Dec 12, 2000 10:36 am

DC-9CAPT you are right about thoes jets going like a bat out of hell!! I do think that with Dornier snuffing Midwest that Embraer will be the new kid in town. Now it will be intresting to see how they park the new jets at Skyway since there is barely enough room to park the D-328's and the witchcraft 1900's.
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RE: Midwest Express/Skyway Embraer Order?

Sat Dec 16, 2000 9:41 pm

I don´t know if it was mentioned before but Skyways has still 5 328JET on order which were ordered at the same date when the 428JET order was placed. And from what I´ve heard the 428JET is not completely dead, only in its current version. The main problem Fairchild Dornier had were the development costs of the new wing. There was a rumour that a changed 428JET could be developed, being only a simple strech of the 328JET. I must say that I doubt that Skyway will get rid of its 328JET fleet. I suppose they will choose the CRJ200ER and the 728/928JET as a DC-9 replacement.

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RE: Midwest Express/Skyway Embraer Order?

Sun Dec 17, 2000 12:10 am

Does Skyway really need to replace the 328Jets? They can still get more 328J's if they want and do they really need additional passenger seats for the routes they fly?
 
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RE: Midwest Express/Skyway Embraer Order?

Sun Dec 17, 2000 12:58 am

Is Midwest Express considering service to Wichita, Kansas with their new Kansas City hub? Are they a low-fare carrier?

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RE: Midwest Express/Skyway Embraer Order?

Sun Dec 17, 2000 1:23 am

Midwest Express is not a "Low Fare" carrier. They are a premeir service air carrier. First Class seats throughout the aircraft and meals served on china. Airfares are similar to what other major airlines charge for a coach seat. Go to the website for more info www.midwestexpress.com.
 
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RE: Midwest Express/Skyway Embraer Order?

Sun Dec 17, 2000 1:35 am

Okay, thanks for the info!

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