airtoday
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Why Do Charters Stop In Bangor Maine

Tue Dec 12, 2000 6:01 pm

Why do charter flights from the UK to USA stop over in Bangor/Newfoundland.

The aircraft they are using are normally capable of flying to their destination (mostly Florida) non stop.

Is it because of government regulations or perhaps runway restrictions from regional airports, or do the a/c not have the range afterall?
 
LBA
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RE: Why Do Charters Stop In Bangor Maine

Tue Dec 12, 2000 6:19 pm

Maybe it's a range issue. Charter flights are nearly always full and therefore at MTOW, more weight and more fuel equals less range. There may also be an issue with food. Some older aircraft do not have enough storage space for two meals therefore a stop is needed to stock up on food. There may also be a deal with the duty free shop at Bangor as there is in the middle east where charters stop at Bahrain and Abu Dhabi so passengers can spend in the duty free.
 
keithpilot
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RE: Why Do Charters Stop In Bangor Maine

Tue Dec 12, 2000 7:08 pm

Is it possible that since they fly the great circle routes over the North Atlantic, they stop in BGR because it is a port of entry?
 
FlyBoeing
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RE: Why Do Charters Stop In Bangor Maine

Tue Dec 12, 2000 10:39 pm

I read in the New York Times that Bangor is achieving a lot of popularity as a spot to put off the air rage passengers. They'd gotten something like 67 stops for that purpose. They have a long runway and a large enough terminal so the pax can stretch their legs and there's a Jet-A terminal that takes airline credit. Plus there's a U.S Federal Court only a few blocks from the airport, easy for the passengers to be arraigned and charged.
 
vadheim
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RE: Why Do Charters Stop In Bangor Maine

Tue Dec 12, 2000 11:17 pm

I think more and more charters from Europe fly nonstop today. From Scandinavia charters go nonstop to destinations like Cancun (Mexico), Barbados, Varadero (Cuba), Dom.Rep., Natal (Brazil) etc.

Earlier they used to stop in places like Goose Bay, Gander, Bangor and Montreal. The planes are bigger today aswell, most A330's, MD11's and B767's.
 
deskdriver
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RE: Why Do Charters Stop In Bangor Maine

Tue Dec 12, 2000 11:18 pm

You find most UK charters operate direct to florida on 767er A330 or DC10 equipment. Most flights that stop these days are the Tristar & 757 operators

The only reasons to stop in Bangor these days are Fuel or some kind of incident Ill pax or tech problem etc.

My company operates 4 x 767-300er's direct to florida & the caribbean almost everyday and we never stop in Bangor.
 
Carioca Canuck
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RE: Why Do Charters Stop In Bangor Maine

Wed Dec 13, 2000 12:00 am

This is just a wild guess......but aren't the landing rights/gate fees etc. whatever they're called, cheaper at a place like that ?

Less services...less popularity, therefore less money to land ?

Costs are crucial to a charters survival.
 
Guest

RE: Why Do Charters Stop In Bangor Maine

Wed Dec 13, 2000 1:26 am

I've been on the Natal Charter flight from Stockholm, it doesn't make a
stop on the ARN-NAT flight, but on the way back they make a stop at Las Palmas.
Finnair flies it's charters to Florida, Mexico and Costa Rica via Bangor, it's at least because of the fuel, a B752 can't fly to the destinations mentioned above without a refueling stop.

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OPNLguy
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RE: Why Do Charters Stop In Bangor Maine

Wed Dec 13, 2000 1:29 am

From what little north Atlantic experience I have, I'd have to guess that most aircraft that have to make a stop at Bangor (other than the obvious medical, mechanical, or air rage cases) do so while they're westbound. Winds aloft data (that flight planning is based upon) is *forecast* data. When it's wrong, i.e. HEADwinds higher than planned, fuel consumption goes up. If a flight was planned tightly to begin with, the additional winds/fuel involved may now preclude being able to continue to the originally desired destination, someplace west of Bangor in the US, Mexico, etc.

Eastbound, with prevalent tailwinds, I'd guess that Bangor stops are far fewer in number...
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
 
Guest

RE: Why Do Charters Stop In Bangor Maine

Wed Dec 13, 2000 1:53 am

It goes back to the days when we used a lot of 757s on the Florida route which didn't have the range. A very efficient turnround service developed as a result with minimum ground time. Nowadays we use mainly aircraft that do have the range, but from time to time need to stop for a variety of reasons. (for instance we carry a large amount of freight at very profitable rates on the route, and often the company prefer us to carry the freight, at the expense of fuel load, and stop on route.) As Bangor is usually right on the route we fly, it is convenient and provides a quick turnround.
 
SegmentKing
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RE: Why Do Charters Stop In Bangor Maine

Wed Dec 13, 2000 2:33 am

Landing fees make all the difference... would you rather land at an airport that charges $0.75US / per 1,000 lbs per aircraft or an airport that chargest something less.. be it $0.50/US per 1,000 lbs. (not quite sure of the actual figure at Bangor, but it's not that high).
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