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Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 1:00 am

We all know that KLM, Avianca, QANTAS, and Mexicana are the oldest airlines around, in that order. But what were the shortest lived airlines? At least in recent history anyway.....And I don't mean airlines that have just recently started. I'm talking about airlines that already have come and gone.
What were they and how long were they around?
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 1:12 am


Hey...

Anybody remember JetTrain? They ran DC-9's from EWR to PIT in the early 90's. Other cities were served, too.

 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 1:18 am

I remember JetTrain. I saw them in Pittsburgh before. Very ugly paint scheme. How about Family Airlines? They shut down before they even began and even had a 747 painted in full colors.......also ugly, but just my opinion.
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 1:27 am

I remember both airlines...I saw JetTrain at EWR once back in 1996. Family Airlines was a paper airline with one 747 painted in that silly red, white, and blue livery with the kid in the baseball cap on it.
I don't think that they count becuse even though the plane existed, to the best of my knowledge, no flights were ever actually flown.
It was a long time ago (1993 I believe), and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that the reason Family never got airborne was that the person starting it had been convicted of embezzlement, or corruption, or something along those lines, and the DOT found him managerially unfit to run an airline, and denied him the permits.

So again...who was the shortest airline THAT ACTUALLY FLEW FLIGHTS?
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 1:34 am

Are you sure about those airlines you listed in your first posts are the oldest? I always figired that the US had the oldest airlines, being that we pioneered flight. Do you know what year those airlines were established? Just curious.
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 1:42 am

Any one have a picture of either JetTrain or Family Airlines? I couldn't find any in teh database here on airliners.net.

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KLM was found in 1918, avianca 1919, and QF in 1920. Not to sure about mexicana.
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 1:53 am

Maybe Braniff No.3, they only lasted a couple weeks.
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 2:41 am

Trans International Airlines, they had a 747-300 painted and were going to fly JFK-TLV.
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 3:35 am

Color Air of Norway. It flew three 737- 300s back and forth between Oslo and cities in western and norhern Norway. It think it had to give up after less than a year..The competition from SAS and Braathens was too fierce.
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 4:10 am

Does anyone remember Royal West or States West Airlines? Both operated out of BUR, Royal to RNO and States West to Laughlin, NV. Royal West used the BAC-146 and States West flew Beech-1900's and Shorts 360's. I flew on States West in the late 1980's. Jeff
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 4:23 am

What about Compass Airlines in Australia? There was the original one that operated A300 equipment and the reincarnation with MD-80's. I can't recall either of them flying for too long.
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ERA

Wed Dec 13, 2000 4:44 am

ERA European Regions Airlines - 2 EMB 145 - Spanish - Dead!
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 4:50 am

Air 21 was pretty short-lived. It was not even a year before they were out of business.
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines - JetTrain Photo

Wed Dec 13, 2000 5:01 am

JetTrain was orignally named AirTrain.

Here's a bad pic (taken when I was shooting prints   )



Trans International Express is still around with Shorts 360's out of JFK. I don't think they do sked service anymore but did see a movement about 2 weeks ago. It's too bad that B747-300 never made it out of SIN.

Anyone remember Florida Express. They flew BAC 1-11's back in the mid-late 80's before becoming a part of Braniff II in late '87/early '88. It's been so long since I've worked for them that I forgot when they acutally started business.

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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 5:56 am

PAN AM 2 a second carrier founded by Martin Shugrue ex EAL cheif with a fleet of ex EAL aircraft like the A300s, and the rest 727-200, 737-400s were all from the disasterous Carnival merger that put the airline in it's grave.

KIWI an all 727-200 fleet that flew out of EWR serving the East coast and parts of the midwest as well as Puerto Rico.

Air Florida

MGM Grand Air

Legend will be up there soon if nothing happens to help them out financially

I hope National isn't next because they were #2 on domestic carriers in Conde Nast Traveller

The Bristish Carrier Court line was there along with Laker

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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 6:08 am

VirginA340, those airlines lasted a few years, but all are gone, unfortunately. It's too bad to see a good airline like RenoAir or PanAm II or a promising carrier like Legend or National go under like that. The death of PAII probably led to Marty Shugrue's death, which was said to be stress-related.

I am curious as to who finished first of the domestic carriers in Conde Nast, but I am 99% sure it's Southwest. Could you post
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 6:10 am

how about celtic/caledonian?they we're around only a few months on the intnet.now, thanks god, you don't hear anything of them.
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 9:53 am

Dates of Foundation:

Qantas - 1920
KLM - 1920 (Oldest airline to have operated under the same name all its life time)
Avianca - 1919
Mexicana - 1921

As for the US Major 6:

AA - 1930 (from amalagamation of companies dating back to 1926)
Continental - 1934 (As Varney Speed Lines)
Delta - 1924 (As the world's first cropdusting company!)
Northwest - 1926
United - 1931
USAir(ways) - 1939 (All American Aviation)

So sorry, USA, but the world's oldest operating airline comes from Colombia of all places, followed by the Australia and The Netherlands
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 10:10 am

What about the shortest stay in one city? I know Eastwind stayed in one city (I believe TPA) for only 9 days.
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 10:47 am

Hehe,m KIWI was around for over 6 years, they started flying in 1993 i believe. possibly 92. Oh how i miss that airline! What ever happened to Nations Air?? They werent aroudn long.
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 11:00 am

Valuejet was around for I think 3 or 4 years before they had that trajic crash in the Everglades and had to start over as Airtran after information on their safety was revealed.
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 11:08 am

There was heaps of media hype about the new Australian airline that was sposed to start up this year called Spirit Airlines. They sounded confident and were ready to tackle Qantas and Ansett in the domestic market - by the way, they haven't left the ground yet!!!Nothing heard on them since I think last year!! Oh well

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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 11:31 am

Kiwi International flying low cost trans-tasman flights (Australia-NZ) only lasted about a year in the mid 90s. The CEO afterwards went to jail for stealing millions from the company (no wonder it went bankrupt, considering it only had 1 aircaft, 2 just before the end).

Also Compass II, with MD-80s only lasted a few months flying Australian domestic routes.
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 11:38 am

What about Western Pacific out of Colorado Springs, and then later, Denver? WestPac was a flash in the pan if there ever was one...

Or alternately, what about Morris? They weren't independent very long before Southwest gobbled them up...

There were a few others I remember... Cascade Airways (a NW line in the mid 80s), MarkAir, etc etc
 
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Pride Air

Wed Dec 13, 2000 11:55 am

Pride Air, flying 727's out of MSY, only lasted about three months before they went under. This was around 84/85 I believe.

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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 3:34 pm

how long did psa and aircal survive (lax-sfo shuttles ?)
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 3:41 pm

PSA and Air Cal were both around for a very long time. By no means would either of them be considered for this thread.

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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 3:43 pm

PSA and AirCal were around for over 20 years each in before they were bought.

What about Tahoe Air? They had some flights from LAX to SJC and Tahoe as of a year ago. I don't think they lasted more than a couple of months. Air 21 was definetly a flash.

What about Grand Air? They seemed to come and go in the mid 90s.

Air South is another one although they may have had some staying power, I can't remember how long they were around before they folded.

There was another one in the early to mid 90s that flew Bae 146s between LAX and SFO. I can't remember their name but for the short time they were around they were always experimenting with different west coast routes and and placing full page ads in the San Francisco Chronicle.
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 3:51 pm

Anybody remember Greyhound Air in western Canada?

They started in the mid 90's I believe (around the same time as WestJet) but I don't think they even lasted a year, they couldn't compete with WestJet.
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Wed Dec 13, 2000 7:23 pm

I think Klm still hold the oldest tag, Founded in October 1919.
There was something in Avianca's History, was there a name change or a cesation of services for a period?
Qantas of Australia was Founded in November 1920.
I seem to recall Sabena was from around this time as well, any one know their start date?

On the defunct note and perhaps I'm a little early on this one but Pro Air a 737 operator in the northern USA, Still flying or gone?

Born in the country with the oldest airline, live in the country with the second oldest airline.
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Thu Dec 14, 2000 2:35 pm

Carib Express (IM) must be the shortest-lived carrier that I know of. It was started in 1995 by a consortium of 5 Caribbean governments (Barbados, Grenada, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, St. Lucia and Dominica), British Airways and several businessmen as a regional carrier intended to compete with the long-serving LIAT. It was based in Barbados and flew 3 BAe 146-100 jets on the short inter-island routes, routes that have traditionally been the preserve of the turboprop. Needless to say, running those jets on those short sectors at odd hours (to connect with BA flights into Barbados) soon proved uneconomic and the airline, which within 3 months of start-up had a network including the signatories, Antigua and Trinidad & Tobago, was shortly thereafter starting to wind down its operations. It pulled several routes after 6 months of service and returned 1 then 2 of the jets, hoping to acquire turboprops. Last-ditch efforts to fly new direct Antigua-Barbados-Trinidad routes failed to save the carrier and it was grounded in 1996 after 14 months in the sky. It still survives as a ground-handling and services company in Barbados.

The shortest-lived operation into Trinidad in recent times was the Air Jamaica service from Kingston via Barbados, which started on 3 July 2000 with A320 on a daily basis and was closed on 22 October after dismal load factors led to several flight cancellations. Also short-lived was BWIA's foray into Sao Paulo from Trinidad and Barbados, which lasted from January to May 1996 with almost-empty MD83s plying a route dropped by Varig nearly a quarter-century earlier.

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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Thu Dec 14, 2000 2:49 pm

2 words: Legend Airlines
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Thu Dec 14, 2000 2:54 pm

Eastwind wasnt around for very long a couple of years anyway
 
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777gk

Thu Dec 14, 2000 3:55 pm

The # 1 domestic carrier was Midwest Express. Martin Shugrue died a broken man in late 1999 when his efforts to get PA back into the skys had failed and all assets was sold to David Fink who owns Guliford Railroads. This is what close family and friends had said. I can remember that when PA 2 started business. Many PA 103 families had protested because it was Martin Shugrue who was one of the PAN AM's mamangement teams that had weakened security before the bombing of PA 103 such as having waivers from the FAA to skip hand searches on unaccompanied bags aboard all flights from Europe including PA 103. Those bomb sniffing dogs that PA owned were no more than show dogs bought cheap from a local kennel. But the general public didn't know this until after 103 went down. I had really liked PA during the Trippe era when aviation was grand and just more than getting from point A-B. My best friend and his family were killed aboard PA 103. I had now hated PA as well as Shugrue and the then ceo Thomas Plaskett who litterally asked the terrorists to bomb the plane when weakening the security measures. The US gov is also to blame for not letting the general public know about the threat that implicated 103 when it came in through Helsinki Finland. The US gov warned US embassy personel but forgot to warn the flying public. I remember being in the PA terminal being helpless along with other family members trying to find out information about my friend from the rude and unsympatetic PA employees at the Terminal; but we got none until 24hrs later.The scene was chaos as emotional family members (including my parents) tried to get info from employees who were inexperienced to deal with tragedies like this. I was also not notified about the crash by the airline and no politician offered to help out the families that night and none were there not even Geoge Bush himself sent a condolense to any family member but rather tried to sweep it under the rug. There was a guy who was infront of me standing next to his wife and he begged the PA supervisor for hours to see if two of his relatives were on-board and possibly a third. The superviosr tried to brush him off but then the man was crying heavily along with his wife who was about to loose it when the supervisor went ot check the computer. His cruel and rude responce was "You lost the two but lucky on the one." If you could only see the anger in the man's eyes but his wife along with someone else and my dad talked him out of decking the employee.
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Thu Dec 14, 2000 4:26 pm

Astoria Airlines out of YYZ only lasted a few weeks. VistaJet only a few months, and Triton never even got started.
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Thu Dec 14, 2000 4:41 pm

I have flown on McClain Airlines of B727-027 between Chicago and Rockford twice. They have served Las Vegas and Phoenix. They operated at least a year.

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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Thu Dec 14, 2000 5:19 pm

Virgin Flyer & ERJ 135

KLM has been founded in 1918, not in 1920 or 1919.
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Thu Dec 14, 2000 6:49 pm

This is a direct extract from the book 'Cronicle of Aviation'
©1992 Chronicle Publications, Editor in Cheif Bill Gunston

The Hague, October 7 1919

A new Dutch airline was formally registered here today. Its name is Koninklijke Maatschappij voor Nederland en Kolonien [Royal Air Travel Company for the Netherlands and Colonies], or KLM for short. Backed by powerful business and banking interests, KLM has a sound financial basis although it does not yet have any registered aircraft. It will be based at Amsterdam's Schipol airport.
KLM's able managing director, Albert Plesman, began planning for the airline a few months ago. It was originaly to be known as Nederlandsche en Koloniale Luchtverkeer Maatschappij [Dutch and Colonial Airline Company], but on September 12, Queen Wilhelmina authorized the use of the word royal.


May 17 1920

A new service between Amsterdam and London, to be operated jointly by KLM and the British company Aircraft Transport & Travel (AT&T), opens.


So, assuming this book is correct, and I'd assume it is, KLM was registered in 1919, and made its first flight in 1920.
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Thu Dec 14, 2000 9:23 pm

To name but a few...

Pride Air (set up by CO ALPA strikers)
Regent Air
Air One
Family Airlines (B747 operator)
African Star
Fly European

Unfortunately, something like 85% of all startup airlines either never make it to the runway or go under in the first year of operations. This is a tough business!
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Fri Dec 15, 2000 3:06 am

Anyone remember "Private Jet" they started out of ATL the same time as Valujet and Kiwi... Had 727-200s changed their name to (i think national) correct me if im wrong it was defently a reused name

 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Fri Dec 15, 2000 5:17 am

Capital Airlines based @ LBA in the UK. It was the first eve airline to have their SH360-300s certified for 39 pax. Anyone remember them? Also European Airways of the UK, mainly based @ NCL,SOU.
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Fri Dec 15, 2000 8:40 am

Greyhound Air and Vistajet are two Canadian airlines that were very short-lived. So was Air Attache, a subsidiary of CP that flew 737-300s mostly between YUL and YYZ. I don't remember how long air Attache lasted, but it wasn't that long.

Gyehound Air went under because Laidlaw, the company that owned it (it is also the owner of Greyhound Bus Lines in Canada) and its shareholders wanted out of the airline business. So they ordered the airline shut down and fired Kelowna Flightcraft as the aircraft maintenence group, as Greyhound Air flew Kelowna Flightcraft 727-200s, I think.

Vonrichtofen, it wasn't necessarily because it couldn't compete with WestJet, but I suppose something like that could've happened if Greyhound Air hadn't been shut down in the first place. CP and AC were already duking it out with airfares anyways, and it's doubtful that Greyhound air could've survived with those larger 727-200s and the fare wars. Greyhound Air's route strategy was different from WestJet's and was meant to improve on the Greyhound nationwide bus service due to the great distances across Canada.

Vistajet was an Ottawa-based discount airline which used a couple of 737-200s. But it was very badly managed as an airline and survived only about a year. their ad campaign was horrible and it was said that only one passenger boarded the inaugural flight.
 
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Swissworld

Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:03 am

Swissworld operated a 767-200ER out of Geneva to Newark... I think they started in September 1998 and folded in early December the same year.

I still have a IATA draft schedule for their proposed summer 1999 timetable, showing the planned 737-700ER flights between Basle/Mulhouse and Newark and between Geneva and Washington and Montreal....

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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:35 am

Greyhound in Canada
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Fri Dec 15, 2000 4:35 pm

Africargo?
Lionair?
PegasusAir?
Trans Lloyd Cargo?
Skymaster Freight?
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Sat Dec 16, 2000 6:12 am

Swissworld also took delivery of a 757-200,in addition to their two 767-200ER's, just days before they folded. They lasted only 7 months, but were expected to be the launch customer for the 737-700ER. When Boeing deferred plans to build this aircraft, Swissworld leased the 757 to serve the cities it planned to fly to with the the -700ER. As far as I know, the 757 never made it into revenue service.


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Fly European was very short lived, but it's 737 (don't remember which version, might have been a -300) was painted in its colors, consisting of an all white fuselage with the titling in all lowercase with the word "fly" inside a maroon circle with the word "european" painted in dark blue. Someone told me it never flew a pax flight.
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Sat Dec 16, 2000 7:31 am

Yeah the US had the oldest airlines most of them are out of buisness
 
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Sat Dec 16, 2000 7:56 am

My thoughts...

1. FAMILY AIRLINES, United States (B747)
2. PETROLAIR, Switzerland (B757)
3. INTERCONDOR, Germany (B757)
4. AIR WINGS, C.I.S. (L-1011)

>>> All with aircraft on hand but never operated a single flight.

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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Sat Dec 16, 2000 7:08 pm

I think thay one of the shortest lived carriers that I know is a local carrier Called East Caribbean . It was based in Ponce , PR . It just operated one flight in its whole life from Ponce- Orlando/Sandford .
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RE: Shortest Lived Airlines

Sun Dec 17, 2000 4:57 am

Western Pacific only lasted about a year to a year and a half. I flew from MCI to LAX via COS with this airline. It was nothing special, but I don't think I would have ever seen COS without them. It is a great airport.