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Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Fri Dec 15, 2000 6:29 am

Please correct me if i'm wrong but LHR-HKG is one of VS's busiest routes.
So why is the A340-300 used instead of the B747-400?
If I'm right, then do you think that when their new 747-400s are delivered, the Boeings will be used on the route?

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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Fri Dec 15, 2000 7:39 am

I believe that the reason LHR-HKG service is with the A340 and not the 747-400 is due to the lack of 747-400s in the fleet. There are more A340-300s (10) currently than 747-400s (6) and the 747-400s are need more on other routes. The LHR-LAX/SFO runs are 747-400 mainstays along with LHR-JFK and LHR-EWR. Basically there are not enough 747-400s right now. I would believe that once the 7 new 747-400s begin to join the fleet that LHR-HKG will change to the 744. CX and BA both operate the 744 on this route and it will allow VS to gain an equal foothold with the others in terms of capacity and speed.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sat Dec 16, 2000 3:59 am

Hello,

Would you know when they started their flights please?

HKG has always been one of the most interesting route from LHR. And the CX and BA operations on the route are evidence of this.
IIRC this was one of the first routes launched by Branson, after his move from no-frill to a high-level service in the 1980s. And Virgin's philoshophy has always been the operations on the most profitable long-haul routes from London.

Did VS face any reluctancy for this route, like what's happening for South Africa and India please?

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sat Dec 16, 2000 4:15 am

Alain:

According to the Virgin Atlantic web-site at www.virgin-atlantic.com , they started their HKG in the same year as their SFO service - 1994. Click on our story then "Fantastic Voyage."
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sat Dec 16, 2000 8:30 am

The LHR-HKG was not one of Virgin's first routes. Their first routes were LGW-EWR and LGW-BOS. NRT, JFK, MIA, MCO, LAX and SFO followed.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sat Dec 16, 2000 9:19 am

Just to add, VS all flights are normally full. They are a premium Airline and everyone wants to fly them!!

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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sat Dec 16, 2000 9:28 am

Along with expecting the 747-400 to take over on the LHR-HKG run, I believe that some of them are earmarked for expansion to Australia. So, it takes 2 747-400s to operate the LHR-HKG run a day and I believe 3 747s for the possible LHR-SYD route. That leaves you with 2 747-400s left to play with. Maybe switching the Johannessburg or Cape Town run over to 744? I wonder how the route to Shanghai does?
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sat Dec 16, 2000 12:30 pm

Virgin only started flying to HKG when they received their first A340-300. I was at Kai Tak when the first flight arrived (late!!).

As for 747-400's they have been saying for years they will switch to 747-400's. One thing you have to remember is Virgin have poor quality seats in economy and the seat pitch is very small. May be this is why people want to fly CX and BA over VS.

At one time BA said they would change one of their two HKG flights to a 777. This never happened.

 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sat Dec 16, 2000 4:27 pm

Virgin's first flight into Hong Kong is on G-VSEA landing on runway 13 at Kai Tak. I think that the pilot lacks experience, the plane hit ground hard and the main gear made sparks on contact with the runway.

Airliners.net has got the photo that has this scene. Haven't got time to search it through though.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sat Dec 16, 2000 8:28 pm

Cathay changed one of its HKG LHR flights to an A340 for a short period of time. I guess they might have been experiencing a decline in passenger numbers. But recently, it seems that their flights are very full. I couldn't get on the earlier flight I wanted, and had to be booked on the later flight.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sun Dec 17, 2000 10:36 am

From what I have heard, it also takes Virgin alot longer to fly the route when compared against the 744s of BA and CX.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sun Dec 17, 2000 12:39 pm

Yes it does take longer to fly on Virgin than on BA or Cathay Pacific to London Heathrow or vice versa.

The main reason why the 744's make it to hong kong before the A340 is that the a340 is slower and if im correct, uses a different route.

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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sun Dec 17, 2000 12:45 pm

Thay should do the 747's because i like them. Thats y they should.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sun Dec 17, 2000 12:54 pm

Supposedly, they started this route with An A340 because they didn't have any extra 744's available. Why they waited this long to order some new ones is beyond me.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sun Dec 17, 2000 1:03 pm

I still have the first advert and the news paper article when Virgin Atlantic was going to fly to hong kong in a plane NEVER seen in hong kong before... The Airbus A340.
I was quite impressed when i flew them on that april that year, never experiencing airtravel as near to their service!!!
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sun Dec 17, 2000 1:28 pm

It will be interesting to see if VS switches to the 744 when the 7 new ones start arriving. Possibly in the future, the 747-400, A340-600 or A3XX could serve on the route!
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sun Dec 17, 2000 2:59 pm

I'm not sure if the 340s are slower. But I don't think Airbus would be so silly as to make their planes slower than their main rivals. However, I'm quite sure that at least in the beginning, Virgin did not have the right to fly over Russia, and so had to take a longer route. I think this has changed now. Can anyone confirm this and also the cruising speed of the 340s?
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sun Dec 17, 2000 6:51 pm

I can confirm that the A340s are slower than the 747. By how much, I don't know.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sun Dec 17, 2000 6:57 pm

From memory, most large commercial aircraft, including the A340, cruise at around Mach 0.8. The 747, with its swept wing, is an exception to this standard, travelling at about 0.85, maybe even slightly faster.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sun Dec 17, 2000 7:46 pm

Virgins first flight to HKG landed on RWY 13 on the night of the 22nd of February 1994. The aircraft was G-VBUS, not G-VSEA. G-VSEA was not delivered to VS until July 1997.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sun Dec 17, 2000 7:55 pm

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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Sun Dec 17, 2000 8:23 pm

The NAME of the A340 that landed in hong kong on that inaugural flight was "The Lady in Red".
It was also said on the headlines in the adver "On Feb 22 The Lady in Red makes her inaugural flight from Hong Kong to London"

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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Mon Dec 18, 2000 2:49 pm

The book "The World's Major Passenger Airlines" put down the cruise speed at M 0.82 for the 340 and Boeing says the speed of the 747 is 0.85. This alone can't make more than 1/2 hours difference in journey time unless it flies a different route.

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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Mon Dec 18, 2000 7:18 pm

Ok ill tell you something
My brother I and my dad flew back from england to hong kong but there wernt enough seats on Virgin, so we booked my brother on cathay.
Our flight on virgin a340 took off 10 minutes before the cathay 747-400 and when we arrived in hong kong the cathya had landed 1 and a half hours earlier

the cathay had obviously taken a different route!

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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Mon Dec 18, 2000 8:05 pm

According to a captain when I aboard VS to HK, they are slower because 340 is slower, they fly mach 0.8 instead of 0.87 in 744, so that is why. I rather see 346 in 2002.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Mon Dec 18, 2000 9:29 pm

Yeah i would love to see the A340-600!!!!!
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's Hong Kong Flights

Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:35 pm

With VS getting more seven more 744's in 2001 and the arrival of the A346 in 2002, we may see VS phase out the A343 on the LHR-HKG route and switch to the 744, given the always-heavy traffic on the LHR-HKG route.

That does explain why CX is flying the A343 between HKG and SFO--their 744 fleet is being used on the HKG-LHR flights.

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