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Martinair's 747s

Sat Dec 16, 2000 3:19 am

As you all know, Martinair operates a few 747-200 Convertible(s) and these 747s are being converted during summer while demand from passengers go up.

I have read Martinair's homepage and have learnt that they will not be doing that anymore due to revenue problem.


Also do you guys think they really are not going to convert their B 747 Convertible(s) from Cargo mode into passenger mode? I personally think they will still be converting them as they do that almost every year. Also, there is a high demand from passengers during summer vacation
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Martinair To Follow Klm?

Sat Dec 16, 2000 4:02 am


I had heard Martinair would follow KLM on its 747 Classic replacement. I don't know if it's still up to date.

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RE: Martinair's 747s

Sat Dec 16, 2000 4:18 am

Martinair is wet-leasing 747-300 full pax from KLM for charters to the mediterranean and Cancun/Miami/Orlando. For the pax-routes they operate the 767-300 and the 757-200 (757 leased from Air Holland). Martinair has problems because of high fuel costs and growing competition on the dutch market..newcomers: City Bird MD11 to CUR/BON (MP is going to stop serving the Antilles) , Hapag Lloyd, Dutch Bird, and very soon Condor..The last three have strong connection with important touroperators like C&N (german)..Martinair makes more on cargo so they will not reconfigure to all pax..Also I heard today they didn't get a route to brasil which is going to be operated by Air Holland also because of cheaper prices.

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RE: Martinair's 747s

Sat Dec 16, 2000 9:15 am

The 747-200s were used during the summer mainly on the California routes, which will be dropped. Martinair is having money problems, and parent KLM is considering a plan which would make Martinair a cargo carrier (KLM owns one-half of Martinair, Nedlloyd the other - Nedlloyd would like to sell out and SQ is rumoured to be interested) and Transavia and/or KLM will take over the passenger side of the operation. Transavia is also owned by KLM and operates mostly charter flights in Europe with a fleet of 733/738/752 aircraft with 73Gs coming to replace the 733 fleet. Nothing is definite yet, and it is unclear as to how the planes/routes of Martinair would be divided up, but they are, for sure, cutting back on pax capacity in the future, thus, the 742s will be limited to cargo operations.
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RE: Martinair's 747s

Sat Dec 16, 2000 12:33 pm

They have returned the 742 (SUD) to KLM and the problem is they dont have so many passengers. I've heard they are having some problems and they are going to cut their passenger routes and do more freight.
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RE: Martinair's 747s

Sat Dec 16, 2000 2:42 pm

So will they be using any 747s for pax anymore?
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RE: Martinair's 747s

Sat Dec 16, 2000 9:48 pm

At the moment there are three possible take over candidates. The first is KLM, second is Singapore and the third is a group of investors who want to break up Martinair and divest all pax service. In the last two cases Martinair will become a freighter only carrier (KLM will sell it's 50% to whomever buys the stake from Nedlloyd). Only if KLM takes over there is a (very small) possibility that the B747 will be used as pax.

The brazil route (Fortaleza) has been served previously by Air Holland, which will transform itself into a scheduled carrier.

Furthermore, the number of pax is not Martinair biggest problem, it's the yield. Martinair accuses KLM of forcing them (Martinair) to lower their prices in order to get pax as passengers prefer KLM above Martinair (for obvious reasons). Finally, last September KLM announced that they'll move into the Miami martket as of next March (which was a very good market for Martinair).

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