DCA-ROCguy
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Aer Lingus And BWI

Sat Dec 16, 2000 6:28 pm

Dear All,

Tonight I took a friend to Baltimore-Washington Airport to catch one of Aer Lingus's new A330-200 flights to Shannon and Dublin. I hung out in the two-hour line with L. to talk, since I won't be seeing him for several weeks, and noticed that there must have been 300-400 people in the long snakey line. If even half of those people were actually pax (it looked like most were) that was one full Airbus. The ticket agent told me they plan to put an A330-300 on the route in the spring.

Has anyone read anything about Aer Lingus at BWI? Certainly at Christmas they can be busy, I hope it continues. BWI is very convenient for a lot of us in DC and Maryland suburbs, and has a big roomy international terminal and uncongested runways. I hope Aer Lingus, and Ghana Airways who recently started flying there, make a go of it.

Jim
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chepos
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RE: Aer Lingus And BWI

Sat Dec 16, 2000 6:42 pm

Ghana Airways flies out BWI .What route do they serve and whats the frequency . I understand Aer Lingus cause alot of people go to Ireland . Does EL AL still fly into BWI .
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RE: Aer Lingus And BWI

Sat Dec 16, 2000 6:46 pm

I know people that have flowen that route a couple of times and have friends in the travel industry around BWI. The word is that load factors and profits far far exceed the airlines most optimistic projections. I dont know how much of this is true but rumor has it that they are making a dent into BAs BWI-LGW flight.
 
dstc47
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RE: Aer Lingus And BWI

Sat Dec 16, 2000 8:39 pm

Dublin /Shannon/Baltimore is to go to daily service next summer, so traffic must be very good indeed.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus And BWI

Sun Dec 17, 2000 1:26 am

Wait, BA and EI are both in Oneworld, wouldn't EI try not to put a dent into British Airways??
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kaitak
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RE: Aer Lingus And BWI

Sun Dec 17, 2000 4:19 am

Oh it's nothing personal - everyone likes to put a dent in BA now and again. Friendly rivalry and all that.

Joking apart, it's great news and for people flying to UK regional destinations, it's better to change at DUB (or even SNN) than LGW, as the range of destinations can be better.

Aer Lingus did, however, get its knuckles rapped last week by Ireland's advertising standards agency; it ran an ad saying flights were direct - which most people took to mean nonstop. Unfortunately, the flights do fly via Shannon, due to Irish government policy to restrict growth on transatlantic routes (it's not the intent, but the result). Aer Lingus would like to fly nonstop.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus And BWI

Sun Dec 17, 2000 11:18 am

Why, may I ask, does the Irish Government force EI to operate a Dublin-Shannon-North American Destination routing rather than just Dublin-North America
 
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RE: Aer Lingus And BWI

Sun Dec 17, 2000 5:24 pm

Until 1993, all Dublin-US scheduled flight had to stop at SNN (same on the way back). There's a very powerful political lobby there and although the was a big push for direct flights, this was refused - partially because the minister then had her parliamentary constituency close to Shannon (a place called Galway) and would have lost her seat.

When EI told the gov't that if they didn't get the right to fly nonstop (which would have opened up many high yield markets), they'd be unable to replace the ageing 747-100s they had then and would thus have to give up US routes, they gov't relented and allowed a 50/50 split, whereby for every one direct flight, one had to go via Shannon. Obviously, this was supposed to be a short term transitory arrangement, but it has lasted since 1993 and even with EI being privatised next year, the gov't shows no sign of budging.

With regard to BWI, EI had already used up its quota of direct flights (the new route was started in Sept), so the flights had to operate via SNN. With any luck, some of the daily flights will be n/s.
 
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RE: Shannon Stop To BWI

Sun Dec 17, 2000 8:35 pm

Yes it is insane.

Can you imagine if many US/Europe flights still had to make an obligatory call at Gander, just because they once had to refuel there. Well that is the logic forcing a stop at SNN. So on the way to ATL next week, I fly to SNN from Dublin, half an hour, get off, take all your personal items with you. Wait an hour, get back on and then retrace the more direct routing to ATL from DUB.

Time, fuel and operational inefficiencies mean nothing to the porkbarrel local politicians on the west coast of Ireland.
 
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Ghana Airways At BWI

Sun Dec 17, 2000 10:46 pm


Ghana Airways is flying twice weekly to and from BWI international. Flight arrive on tuesadays and sundays at 7 am. Equipment is DC10-30.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus And BWI

Sun Dec 17, 2000 11:26 pm

I also heard that awhile back there were preliminary talks between Ireland and the US regarding openskies. The SNN stop issue came up immediately. The talks collapsed. It will be interesting to see in the future how this hampers openskies between the 2 countries.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus And BWI

Mon Dec 18, 2000 3:19 pm

Did oneworld try to exert any influence on the Irish in regard to Shannon? Or the EU? I can't imagine a major alliance likes that kind of collar around the neck of its members. But if the Shannon-area pols are influential enough to shut down open-skies talks with the US, the EU and oneworld probably wouldn't have any more luck.

No, El Al does not fly to BWI anymore. For awhile they had North American flying M80s and 727s to JFK to connect with real El Al. The El Al ticket counter is completely gone from the terminal, but I don't know if North American is still there.

Jim

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RE: Aer Lingus And BWI

Tue Dec 19, 2000 1:36 am

All airlines flying transaltantic have to have 50/50 splits in SHH and DUB. Hence why CO and DL fly via SHH on their way to DUB. In the summer one could certainly justify a unique service to SHH as CO and EI do to NYC. But is also goes the other way around since EI's flight from ORD to DUB continues onto SHH. Putting those A330's in the air for a 30 minute flight must cost EI a fortune.
 
dstc47
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RE: Aer Lingus And BWI

Tue Dec 19, 2000 4:30 am

It does and the code for Shannon is SNN, not SHN
 
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RE: Aer Lingus And BWI

Tue Dec 19, 2000 5:30 am

Sorry. Shannon SNN.

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