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To The Naysayers Of UA's Fleet Age!

Wed Dec 20, 2000 3:09 am

UAL just announced today the earlier retirement of 25 727s next year. They also announced a purchase of 13 more aircraft, bringing the total Airbus aircraft ordered by UAL to, I believe, 179. Delivery is in 2002.

However, to those who said UAL had a very high average fleet age, here is information straight from the horse's mouth: "At year-end 2000, United's operating fleet will consist of 604 aircraft with an average age of 10.1 years. At year-end 2001, United will have an operating fleet of 619 aircraft with an average age of 9.7 years."

I don't know what AA's or DL's fleet ages are, but I would venture to guess that UA has a younger overall fleet (especially over DL). 10 years average is pretty damn good for an airline with over 600 'crafts!


RE: To The Naysayers Of UA's Fleet Age!

Wed Dec 20, 2000 3:21 am

What is NW's? or TW's? Or should I not even ask before I start a war....
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RE: To The Naysayers Of UA's Fleet Age!

Wed Dec 20, 2000 3:42 am

That just ruined my hear we are dumping our tried and true 727's and replacing them with trash....
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RE: To The Naysayers Of UA's Fleet Age!

Wed Dec 20, 2000 4:12 am

Why even lend creedance to the original premise by letting laymen frame the issue in those terms? So an A/C is 15 or 16 years what? Do the people who obsess over these matters actually buy, fly, and maintain them? If an aircraft can provide a favorable cost/revenue balance then it will remain in a fleet. If a carrier chooses to be lax in regards to the appearance and cleanliness of a plane, then that's another story. Plenty of 20 year old planes that look great in and out and provide reliable service---and plenty of 5 year old planes that look like holy hell inside and out. --- And plenty of 1 year old planes that are hangar queens. Trust me.
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RE: To The Naysayers Of UA's Fleet Age!

Wed Dec 20, 2000 4:29 am

So what if there planes are old!
I flew United 747-200 SFO-HNL last summer and was one of the best flights I've ever had. It had to be at least 20 years old. Last month I flew on there brand new 777 SFO-Dulles and I couldn't wait to get off the plane. What a lousy over-rated aircraft!
Northwest and Hawaiian has a pretty old fleet and I think it is a very impressive fleet! I like to see a diversified fleet of 4-engine, tri-jets, twins and props in an airline.
I am sure United will replace there reliable 727-200 with a very boring run of the mill twin engine jet or some sort.

What scares me is that in 25 years when we go to an airport, all we'll see is twin engine jets.
Bring back the Concorde
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RE: To The Naysayers Of UA's Fleet Age!

Wed Dec 20, 2000 4:37 am

This is what high fuel prices are doing to the good old three-holer....

I have heard that even NW is revising their fleet strategy because keeping older aircraft is no more financially viable. As for their fleet age - it was discussed not so long ago and IIRC it's ~ 19 years.

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