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United And Future 737 Orders.

Sat Dec 23, 2000 6:24 am

Now, first off everyone stay calm. It seems that in the past when we dicuss UA and the 737NG everyone goes bananas with some individuals saying why not, and others jumping down their throats with NEVER. First off, UA is a very big fan of the A32X series. They have a large fleet of A320s and a growing fleet of A319s. So, common sense would dictate that they would not be interested in the 737NG. If that was the end of the story, I would whole-heartedly agree. As we all well know, it is not.

United also has a gigantic fleet of 737-300s and 737-500s. The 727-200s are being replaced with more A319s and A320s, but that does not mean that the 737NG doesn't have a future home at UA. The 737NG is highly compatable with the 737 "Classics" and its cockpit can be configured to be just like theres. In fact, this is exactly what WN and CO did with their 737NGs cockpit. Therefore, very little training was neccesary to move 737 "Classic" pilots up to the "NGs".

Now, there are going to be 50 727s that will be retired in 2-3 years. DEN's hot and high conditions must be looked at. This is where I think the door is open for Boeing. With the winglets that are currently available on the 737NG line, those beautiful birds can really get up. I am not saying the A32X can't, but the Boeing's really jump into the air.

My main point is that while United is a large operator of the A32X family, they are a larger operate of the 737-300/500 family. The 737NGs are highly compatible with them and I don't see why in the future UA won't order some.
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RE: United And Future 737 Orders.

Sat Dec 23, 2000 6:28 am

Good insights, but I just don't think it will happen. I'm sure that United will stick with Airbus for a while with narrowbodies.

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RE: United And Future 737 Orders.

Sat Dec 23, 2000 7:06 am

In the world of airline aircraft ordering nothing is for sure. I'm sure UA is looking at the 737NG thanks to the fact that it does has better performance in high altitudes (DEN), the aircraft would be ideal to replace the shuttle as well. Who Knows.

RE: United And Future 737 Orders.

Sat Dec 23, 2000 7:19 am

I agree, there is a few open spots for the 737NG.
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RE: United And Future 737 Orders.

Sat Dec 23, 2000 8:30 am

OK, United didn't say that they would never order NG737's from Boeing, I agree with that. But it still is unlikely that they order those (at least not in the near future), because if they were interested in it now that the NG737 has been available for three years, they would have ordered them already. United just announced that they would continue to retire the 727's, why did they choose to buy more A320's/A319's instead of NG737's? Because they prefer the Airbus. They've been ordering additional A319's and A320's recently, didn't they?
There are very few airlines in the world that have both A32X's and NG737's. There are two that I can think of:
Tunis Air: A319 and 737-600
South African Airways: A320 and 737-800

If United does that, it would be the only US airline that would operate both A320's and NG737's. When I say United, I mean United/ US Airways if the merger happens.

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RE: United And Future 737 Orders.

Sat Dec 23, 2000 8:54 am

No way will they go for the CFM56 737NGs, they are very happy with their V2500 powered FBW A319s/A320s. I believe United except for it's current CFM56 powered 737-300/500s is sticking with an exclusive P&W powered fleet.
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RE: United And Future 737 Orders.

Sat Dec 23, 2000 10:40 am


the V2500 engines are a maintence headache.

I agree with CX747,

but I want to add a few things

-The 738 seats more people than an A320.

United's A320s have 138 seats, and if UA were to get 738s they could have 158 seats total on those planes.

Next thing, Currently UA does not have a replacement for the 732s flying out on the east coast. Thoss should be here for another four to five years, unless they get a replacement. Ordering 35 736s would help them, and it is still common to 735s. 736s would have video systems introduced on them, and if you get 35 of those, and operate them along side of 735s you can do a more "point to point" network. I think lines such as SJC to MCO might do very well.

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RE: United And Future 737 Orders.

Sat Dec 23, 2000 10:46 am

SAS is another airlines with both A32Xs and 737NGs. SAA won't be for long as they are disposing of their A320s at the moment.

Another airline rumored to be flying both the A32X and 737NG is AN who, along with their parent NZ, is rumored to be looking at the 737NG as a replacement for their 733s and eventually the A320s but you would think the A320s would be around for a while yet as they are quite young and very much liked by AN.

RE: United And Future 737 Orders.

Sat Dec 23, 2000 11:04 am

I'm sorry, but I just don't see a UA B737NG order *unless* it is a rider on the bottom of a B74/5/6/77 order. I don't see why UA would say no if Boeing offered to give them a deep discount on B777s if they agree to purchase and operate some B737NGs.
As far as the East Coast routes go, those are A318 territory, and I expect to see a UA order for those to replace B737-200s as soon as UA decides that the US merger ain't gonna happen.

But can we really rule anything out? No. UA might toss fleet commonality out the window and buy some B737NGs. Hell- we can't even rule out B717s. But commonality (and, therefore, common sense) dictate continued A32X purchases. Replacing the B737 Classics is hardly needed right now, but adding another type into an already fragmented fleet (A32X, B727, B737-200, B737 Classic, B747 Classic {phasing out}, B747-400, B757, B767, B777, DC-10 {phasing out}) would be less than advisable right now, especially if they want that US merger to go through.

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