Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Sat Dec 23, 2000 11:02 pm

Hey all,

Happy Christmas !

Just wondering about new routes to US for Aer Lingus. Already they operate to six US gateways :


Now with joining Oneworld and all that have they any new US routes planned ?
Personally I thing it definitely time for a schedlued


Anyway anyone any ideas or photos ?
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RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Sat Dec 23, 2000 11:07 pm

Yeah they definitly need to start service to Canada.

Also i would recomend service to DTW or PHL!!!


RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Sat Dec 23, 2000 11:27 pm

Surely florida is an obvious choice.
BTW I flew dublin to BHX this morning, and saw 2 a330's for the first time. Fine lookong aircraft.
Oh and if that wasn't good enough I saw the Emirates landing in BHX aswell.
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RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Sat Dec 23, 2000 11:57 pm

Aer Lingus definately has to start flying DUB-YYZ, I'm sure they'd be very successful, because AC hasn't started flying the route yet, I'm sure they will in the future, Aer Lingus can establish themselves first...
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RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Mon Dec 25, 2000 7:21 am

I dont think EI will start flying to YYZ.If they were going to fly that route they would have done it before now.Their last flights to Canada were in the late seventies and early eighties when they used the 707s sometimes routing Dublin Chicago Montreal.Dublin is linked with Toronto in the summer using a variety of Canadian charter airlines.I remember Air Canada flying in here in the eighties using 747s and767s.If I hear anymore news on a DUB YYZ start up I will keep you posted.EI133
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RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Mon Dec 25, 2000 9:44 am

They should start flying seosonal flights to Orlando and Miami . I also believe they should start flying to Montreal and Toronto .
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RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Mon Dec 25, 2000 11:23 am

I don't know about Toronto. It doesn't have the Irish population of, say, New York, Chicago or Boston. You'd probably see them in San Francisco or Philly before Toronto.
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RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Mon Dec 25, 2000 7:54 pm

Merry Christmas Everybody

As regards EI's next Transatlantic move, Canada could well be the next stop. The reason is because Ireland and the US still have an outdated airspace policy. i.e. no open skies. Only 5 gateways were suppose to be served from Ireland under the current agreement, so when Washington/Baltimore came up, EI had to apply for special rights to fly the route, as it was the 6th gateway. The right was granted, but until the current agreement is changed to allow more favourable conditions for American carriers serving Ireland, I can't see any more routes being granted. As far as I know, Canada falls under a different airspace category, so Toronto, or Montreal could well be on the cards.
If the agreement was changed, then certainly, SFO, or maybe Dallas with the American codeshare, cetainly not Florida as was suggested, for one simple reason - Money. Florida is a tourist destination, airlines make their profits from Business class passengers, even Virgin flew their Orlando route as a charter one, it simple doesn't pay dividends to have a plane fly there with economy full, and Business class empty, when you can fill Business class, and half fill economy to some where like Dallas or San Francisco.

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RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Mon Dec 25, 2000 8:03 pm

Pilot21 I said SEASONAL.That means the season when they see that traffic is at its best . Example summer or something like that . And planes from Florida to Ireland in summer can be filled ,Believe me they can.
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RE: Expect Changes Next Year!

Tue Dec 26, 2000 3:06 am

The Shannon issue is expected to come to a head next year. Basically, all other EU nations, except Ireland, want Open Skies with the US. The Irish minister, Mrs O'Rourke, has opposed it. Basically, she knows it's on its way out, but for electoral reasons, she has to be seen to do her best to keep it alive, even if it means wasting everyone else's time.

Unfortunately, even if a decision is made next year, it will still mean quite a wait, as it will take some time for the full open skies agreement to be negotiated. However, once this is done, there will be a fairly strong growth in t/a ops from Dublin and there will also be pressure on the Irish government to review its bilateral with Canada, the EU:US agreement obviously not having any impact on the Canadian situation.

I would expect to see the new flights in place by Summer 2002.


RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Tue Dec 26, 2000 3:23 am

OneWorld Alliance.... they should do DFW !!!!


RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Tue Dec 26, 2000 8:26 am

Happy christmas to all,

Personally id like to see FCO but the problems there have already been pointed out.

Is there any chance EI might drop EWR and concentrate on JFK ? That way it would free up another gateway - at least until the free skies agreement is sorted out.

Thanks for alll the replies, but i still beleive YYZ could carry enough traffic to become profitable.

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RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Tue Dec 26, 2000 10:20 am

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RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Tue Dec 26, 2000 10:27 am

definitely DFW!!! airlines have been flocking to DFW...Air France, Sabena, and Aer Lingus would make a nice addition. if they didn't start service now, then they should when DFW opens its new International Terminal. BTW when is that supposed to open? Blink182? Also i think KLM should start service to DFW if/when they get the 777s..if not then they should at least use the 763ER.. 

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RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Tue Dec 26, 2000 12:08 pm

Florida is not as big a long shot as many suggest. Aeroflot had good loads on the Shannon-Miami segments from Moscow to Latin America, even occasionally operating stand alone SNN-MIA-SNN charters. Granted, low-yield traffic is higher that elsewhere but does offer higher yield traffic to/from Latin America as a plus, something that other destinations don't.
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RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Tue Dec 26, 2000 10:02 pm

Hi to all,

just to answer Baec: Aer Lingus operated until the mid 1990's three 747-100s on their JFK and BOS routes. They sold them off in 1994,1995 and i think 1997. I have no idea who they were sold to. Aer Lingus replaced them with A330-300s. They now also operate the A330-200 ( on the LAX and ORD routes ).

DFW sounds good alrite but is there any support for SFO? After all Ireland is the Silicon Valley of Europe and SFO is Silicon Valley's main transatlantic gateway. i don't think PHL is an option: after all Aer Lingus serve 4 airports already in that region.

Thanks for the replys, kep em coming !

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RE: Aer Lingus New USA Routes

Tue Dec 26, 2000 10:10 pm

It depends on which cities have the largest Irish Populations which are currently not being served by EI, does DFW have a large Irish Population.
BTW, does AA operate to Ireland?
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