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Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Sun Dec 24, 2000 5:59 am

It seems to me that Virgin Atlantic is making a mistake in retiring their 4 P&W powered 747-200s when the 7 747-400s begin arriving. Currently the fleet is under an immense amount of pressure and is overstretched. Why not keep the P&W 747-200s G-VGIN, G-VIRG, G-VJFK and G-VLAX around for 2-3 more years? Wait until all of the 747-400s on order are delivered to the fleet and the first few A340-600s begin arriving at LHR.

On a personal note, I saw G-VJFK "Boston Belle" on the 21st of this month at EWR. She looked splendid.
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Sun Dec 24, 2000 6:37 am

It probably costs a lot to to maintain the P&W's. The 744 will be coming in soon as they where the Alitilia ones! Also Virgin is getting a ton of A340's, I am sure they will have more then enough planes without the P&W classics.
I think you are just bitter towards Virgin as the got rid of G-VMIA and now they are getting rid of some more classics!
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Sun Dec 24, 2000 6:39 am

I completly agree with Iianhol
 
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Sun Dec 24, 2000 6:46 am

It is true that I was not happy with them when they retired MY plane G-VMIA! The other "P&W Classics" though don't have any real sentimental value to me. I have never flown on any of them etc. In fact, it was only for the first time on Thursday that I saw a P&W Virgin "Classic". (Obviously I have seen them at one time or another before, but I didn't write down the registration.) Constantly though, we hear how the current fleet is stretched to the max. It seems to me that rather than have an increase of just 3 planes (If they were to retire the 747-200s) why not have a 7 plane increase? That will allow for the expansion that Branson is keen on obtaining. Does anyone know if the P&W "Classics" are up for D checks soon?
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Sun Dec 24, 2000 7:20 am

But maybe it is cheaper to get the 400's to replace them! Mayeb if they kept the P&W Classics tey would not have got the 400's! I would much rather see a 400 then a P&W classic.
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Sun Dec 24, 2000 1:20 pm

I think that we should take a deeper look at their route structure. Currently they fly from LHR and LGW to EWR, JFK, BOS, MIA, MCO, ORD, LAX, SFO, LAS, IAD, JNB, NRT, HKG, CPT, and DEL. They also have 3 Carribean destinations that I do not know the codes for.

Now, many of these airports are served more than once a day. For instance EWR (Newark) has service from LHR and LGW in the form of a 747-400 and 747-200. I believe that JFK is served 3 times daily with a 747-400, and the 747-200, A340-300 switching on and off for the other two flights. HKG requires 2 airplanes to operate the route along with NRT. What I am trying to say is, that Virgin is playing with fire currently. I think they should hold on to the P&W "Classics" to allow some breathing room. Possibly, you could base 2 at LHR and 2 at LGW as back up aircraft. This would also lessen the stress of having to bring aircraft back from maintenance in shortest amount of time possible.

Any thoughts, questions or remarks are welcome towards this idea.
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Sun Dec 24, 2000 2:32 pm

Don't be offended, but the aviation experts and executives at Virgin in London know a little more about the situation than you....
 
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Sun Dec 24, 2000 2:48 pm

I have heard that they are getting some B 747-200s from Air New Zealand.
 
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Sun Dec 24, 2000 3:46 pm

Virgin Atlantic has already received all 5 of Air New Zealands 747-200's the last left Auckland in May 2000.
It went somewhere else to be painted in Virgins new colours where exactly I can't remember.

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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:06 am

The answer is simple, the P&W a/c will not comply with the new noise restrictions.
 
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:28 am

Very sensibly, they are standardising on just one engine type - the RB211-524B4 - with aircraft from both Cathay Pacific and Air New Zealand.

I flew on G-VRGN (Maiden Voyager) from MIA-LGW earlier this month in Upper Class, and I have to say that the interior was looking very tired and worn-out. Both the J and Y class seats are the same as when the aircraft was first introduced - albeit with the addition of seatback videos in Y and pop-up screens in J. Sony Watchmans are still provided to J class pax to watch additional movies.

They will be leasing in several (I believe three) B747-300s from Air Atlanta as an interim measure whilst they are overhauling and refurbishing aircraft.
 
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:34 am

"RGN" left the fleet at least 7years ago
 
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Ceilidih And VC-10.

Sat Dec 30, 2000 7:25 am

VC-10: I assume that Ceilidh was talking about G-VGIN. That aircraft is still in use.

Ceildh: Do you know which aircraft are going to be refurbished? I thought that all of the 7 RB-211 powered aircraft have been refitted to VS standards.
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 8:45 pm

CX747 - you are right, VGIN was the aircraft in question. VRGN is now with Tower Air.

The refurbishment programme is centering on the installation of the new Upper Class sleeper seats, bar units and beauty areas; I don't know what (if anything) is being done in the Y class cabin. I understand that this work is being carried out at FLS in Dublin.
 
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Sun Dec 31, 2000 10:22 pm

Oh dear Ceilidh, you've shown yourself (yet again) to be a chancer and full and free with the truth.
Pick a registration, any registration ...
 
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 3:02 am

If it was G-VGIN it can't have been named "Maiden Voyager" because that is the name of G-VIRG !
 
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 5:11 am

G-VGIN is "Maiden Voyager"
G-VIRG is "Shady Lady"
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 5:45 am

I think it is a mistake, as VS needs more capacity. But they are old and as one pointed out above me, the P&Ws are costly to maintain or something. But the sexy Singapore Airlines has P&Ws on their 744s, and they fly to LHR 3x daily. :?

Oh well, I suggest VS keep them

More capacity = More profits = More profits for SIA!

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RE:CX747

Mon Jan 01, 2001 11:14 am

I suggest you visit the VS website & check those names.
 
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 3:25 am

I apologize to all.

G-VGIN "Scarlet Lady"
G-VIRG "Maiden Voyager"
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RE: Why Is Virgin Retiring 4 747-200s?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 4:51 am

Then it was G-VIRG that I was on ... I am not a 'reggie spotter', but was aware that it was Maiden Voyager - the name painted on the lower fuselage being a bit of a give-away!    

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