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KLM & The 777?!?!

Sun Dec 24, 2000 7:44 am

It has been mentioned several times over the past month and a half that KLM has indeed already choosen a 747-300/MD-11 replacement in the form of the 777-200ER. Yet again tonight I read that the ILFC order placed with Boeing includes 777s that will one day call Amsterdam's Schipol Airport home. Any comments from insiders or K.L.M. enthusiasts?
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LJ
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RE: KLM & The 777?!?!

Sun Dec 24, 2000 9:13 pm

Could you please tell me where you've read the news?
A couple of months ago someone wrote that Boeing said that they "a Dutch airline" purchased some B777s.

Allthough the B777 is the likely replacement for the MD-11 and B747-200/300 nothing has been decided (at least made public). However, a while back on the Dutch national news, we could see a KLM manager with a mock-up of a B777 (and B767) in KLM colors on his desk (was this a hint?). Anyway I've read on this site that Northwest will announce something before Christmas (thus today) and then, we'll probably hear also somthing from KLM (they've postponed the announcement several times and always stated that the MD-11 replacement is a joint NWA/KLM issue).

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RE: KLM & The 777?!?!

Sun Dec 24, 2000 11:08 pm

If KLM does buy the 777 series, then I think NW may officially cancel any ideas of buying the A330-300.

NW may end up buying a combination of 767-400ER, 777-200ER and 777-300ER to replace their DC-10 and 747-200 fleet completely by 2006.
 
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RE: KLM & The 777?!?!

Mon Dec 25, 2000 12:06 am

The ILFC/777 arrangement for KLM has been rumoured for some time and seems to ring true, although I would expect KLM's choice to be for it alone. It doesn't necessarily follow that Nortwest will feel in any way obliged to follow its partner. A High Gross Weight A330 would probably suit Northwest very well indeed and would be ideally suited to many of its transatlantic routes.
 
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RE: KLM & The 777?!?!

Mon Dec 25, 2000 12:08 am

I just heard from a KLM insider that the company did not made any firm commitments for MD-11 replacement yet. However, it is needless to say the B777 will be their first choice.

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RE: KLM & The 777?!?!

Mon Dec 25, 2000 12:11 am

It would be a great sign if KLM would order 777's. It would then be safe to say NW would follow suit and order the 777 also. But this damn mechanics labor strife is holding every thing up. And untill that is resolved we will not here anything from NW. Also the 767 in any form you would think would be a great move for NW. I don't understand why NW has never used them. Does KLM use the 767?
 
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RE: KLM & The 777?!?!

Mon Dec 25, 2000 12:22 am

Patches,

YES.

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RE: KLM & The 777?!?!

Mon Dec 25, 2000 5:56 am

K.L.M. does indeed operate the 767. They have several 767-300ERs. As for what I heard, it is believed that the recent ILFC order for 777s include 10 777-200ERs for K.L.M. These aircraft will first be used to replace the MD-11s. While I wouldn't take my information to the bank, it also seems that from individuals inside K.L.M. that the 777-200ER has indeed been ordered. I believe that the 777 is a perfect choice for K.L.M. It will replace the MD-11 perfectly and will also fill the 747-200 SUD's replacement role in either the 200ER or 300LR form.

It would be interesting to see if K.L.M was to order 777s how NW would react. I personally think that the DC-10s should be replaced by a mix of 757-300s, 767-400s and 777-200ERs. This also give NW the ability to replace their 747-200s with 777-200ERs/200LRs/300LRs.
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RE: KLM & The 777?!?!

Tue Dec 26, 2000 6:21 am

I've read somewhere that Boeing wants to make a B777-300 Combi and that this aircraft was offered to KLM. Does anybody has any information on this?

If true I think this would be the ideal replacement for the MD-11.

BTW The 10 B767-300ERs are leased for ILFC for 10 years. KLM has an option to buy the B767s or extend the lease for another 10 years after the end of the lease (but they can also return them) .

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RE: KLM & The 777?!?!

Tue Dec 26, 2000 7:50 am

Can anyone please tell me why KLMs Boeing Customer Code is being used for their 767-300ERs (767-306ER) as these planes were ordered by ILFC, whose BCC is Q8.
As KLM is only leasing and didn't order these planes from the Boeing Company, shouldn’t KLMs 767-300ER fleet be listed as 767-3Q8(ER)?

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RE: KLM & The 777?!?!

Tue Dec 26, 2000 9:49 am

Although, ILFC placed the official order, the LOPA's are (or will be) created to the operators specifications and thus there BCC.
 
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RE: KLM & The 777?!?!

Tue Dec 26, 2000 9:51 am

Also, I was at Schipol airport meeting with KLM last week, and the folks who I was meeting with suggested to me that a decision between the A330/A340 and the 777 hadn't been made yet.
 
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RE: KLM & The 777?!?!

Wed Dec 27, 2000 7:54 am

Mikeymike, thanks for your reply to my question.
But where does LOPA exactly stand for?
I'm not familiar with (technical) aviation terms.

(I thought the BCC stands for the customer who placed the official order by Boeing, I didn't know the BCC stands for the (1st) operator).

Further I hope when KLM makes a decision they'll choose for the B777 as I personally prefer Boeing planes above the Airbus.

Btw, didn't the KLM people you met at Schiphol last week suggest when / around what time the decision will be made?

Groetjes, Kjeld.

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