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Gulf Air And The 777

Mon Dec 25, 2000 7:25 am

Gulf Air has such an advanced and quite new fleet of 6 A330-200's, 5 A340-300's, 8 767-300ER's, and 12 A320-200 aircraft. With such an extensive route network, one cant help but think why Gulf Air hasn't placed any orders for the 777?
Does anyone know why?????

 
The777Man
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RE: Gulf Air And The 777

Mon Dec 25, 2000 7:32 am

Actually Gulf Air did order 6 777-2P6 ER in 1994 I believe. However they were also cancelled about a year or two later. Then they ordered the A330-200 instead. I think the 777 was too expensive for them and they liked the commonality bewteen the A340 and A330. I wish they also would reorder the 777. I don't think it's very likely, but you never know. The777Man
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aa737
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RE: Gulf Air And The 777

Mon Dec 25, 2000 7:36 am

I am guessing that the fact that they fly A340s would make a 777 order unlikely.
 
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RE: Gulf Air And The 777

Mon Dec 25, 2000 10:33 am

Just to expand on The777Man's post, here is the history of Gulf Air and the 777:

In November 1993, Gulf Air ordered 6 777-200ERs and took options on another 6. To be powered by GE 90 engines, these aircraft were to be delivered from 1998 on. However, Gulf Air already had an outstanding order for 6 A340-300, and the 777 order was based on the anticipation of an ongoing airline capacity/traffic evaluation. In July 1994, the first A340 was delivered. By April 1995, the evaluation was completed, and it was determined the 777s would just add excessive capacity to the airlines network, therefore, the order was cancelled. Sometime later (1997?), Gulf Air chose the A330-200 to partially replace their 767-300ER fleet and make incremental capacity increases. Also during this time, one A340-300 was sold (I don't know who to).

In consideration of this history, I don't think you will ever see a Gulf Air 777 order, although that would be a beautiful aircraft!

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advancedkid
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RE: Gulf Air And The 777

Mon Dec 25, 2000 3:33 pm

The main reason they sold some B767s was
the decrease in capacity caused by a stiff
competition from Emirates. Gulf Air is still
suffering as a result from the relativly new
but more successfull Emirates. Also, certainly
the Airbus deal was better since both the
A330 and A340 are cheaper than the B777.
I hope that helps.
Kindest regards and happy holidays.
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RE: Gulf Air And The 777

Mon Dec 25, 2000 3:36 pm

oh well, I forgot to mention.
Gulf Air have phased out the B767 from
their fleet already. :-(
They are certainly going all-Airbus.
Kindest regards,
Advancedkid
 
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RE: Gulf Air And The 777

Tue Dec 26, 2000 6:18 pm

AdvanvedKid,

I saw a GF B767 last week in the special scheme, when were they supposed to come out of service?
 
advancedkid
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RE: Gulf Air And The 777

Tue Dec 26, 2000 11:50 pm

Hi there,
I thought they were already phased out
by now. If there were any left, I would like
to know myself how many. I think we should
give their site a try for this info.
Regards,
Advancedkid
 
raggi
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RE: Gulf Air And The 777

Wed Dec 27, 2000 1:46 am

the 767 will remain in Gulf Air`s fleet for quite a long time. Of the 20 they once operated, I think 12 went to DL, and the remaining 8 will stay in their fleet for three-four-five years..But they will eventually be replaced by the A332.
raggi
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RE: Gulf Air And The 777

Wed Dec 27, 2000 3:27 am

Hamlet 69,

The one Gulf Air A340 was traded back to Airbus, which planned to lease it to Ethiopian. This deal failed to materialise. Sabena then leased it for about four months to replace the A340 which was damaged in a landing accident at BRU in (I think) September 1998. It was even paited in Ethiopian colors (there might be pictures of it here somewhere). Now the aircraft has been leased to SriLankan (4R-ADD, msn 036) since June 1999. I believe it is a four or five - year lease from the manufacturer.

As to the original question: why is it such a surprise that not every airline which has a modern fleet operates the 777? You seem to think that every self-respecting airline should operate it. There are other aircraft in the same class which are equally good and modern, and GF already operates them, so switching to 777 now, or even just adding them, would not be a very smart move, especially for an airline with a financial situation that isn't all that good...
 
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RE: Gulf Air And The 777

Wed Dec 27, 2000 5:42 am

If Gulf Air already has A340-300s and RR Trent 700 powered A330-200s, what if they go for the new RR Trent 500 powered A340-500, with the same range and capacity as the 777 and with the same digital cockpit setup as the other Airbuses in their fleet?
 
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RE: Gulf Air And The 777

Thu Dec 28, 2000 7:24 am

Just one addition: Gulf Air didn´t order the A330-200 originally ´cause it wasn´t even offered at that time. They first ordered 6 A330-300 but later switched them to the smaller -200.

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