englandair
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How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Tue Dec 26, 2000 3:16 am

British Airway's cabin crew members are assigned to either long or short haul operations (no choice).
They are then trained to work on a maximum of 3 a/c types.

Does anyone know:
-if airlines choose how many planes their crews are trained for or if there's a set maximum by the CAA/other?

-if any airlines offer a mix of long & short haul?

Cheers & merry Christmas,
Jamie
 
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RE: How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Tue Dec 26, 2000 3:28 am

Aer Lingus cabin crews are trained to work on Airbus and 737s.They can also work on Bae 146s and Fokker 50s in the commuter fleet.After a year or so they can get to work on Transatlantic routes flying the Airbus A330-200 and A330-300s.It is up to the airline as far as I know.Cabin crew rotate betweeen transatlantic and mainline European in order to make up their rosters and flight times.Hope this is of some help.EI133
 
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RE: How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Tue Dec 26, 2000 4:20 am

My dad is currently a manufacturer certified flight safety instructor for the following aircraft :

747-200
747-300
747-400
A300B4
A310-300
707-300
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Al
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RE: How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Tue Dec 26, 2000 4:34 am

Down here, our regulatory body sets the limit and it's a maximum of 5 types only. They consider any more than 5 and it *may* have an effect on the F/A's ability to remember exactly where things are, how doors operate etc in case of an emergency.
I think it was after the NW incident in DTW some years ago when the FA's on one of the planes involved got confused with the procedures/equipment placement of the type they were on, that was a catalyst here. It wasn't the first time that confusion in such a situation had existed. I know my carrier takes pains to ensure that all lockers/galleys/storage places for equipment are kept the same for each new addition of the fleet type. Different craft of the same fleet type/model often have different layouts, especially if the craft is second hand or leased in. That can even extend in some cases to door operation.
It was no great drama to us here although we at one stage ran 7 different aircraft types - we just had two different crew streams.
We have seperate streams also for long haul and domestic, but that is more to do with specialised training for the long haul crews than equipment type.
Cheers. Al.
 
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RE: How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Tue Dec 26, 2000 4:54 am

At United, the flight attendants are qualified to work any type of plane that they operate. They are also not assigned either domestic or international. They can bid to work international or domestic. Its there choice and it changes each month with the bid perios.

The types all UA flight attendants are qualified to work.

-727
-737
-747-200
-747-400
-757
-767
-777
-A319/20
-DC-10

The classes that are just starting trainign in ORD will not be traine dont the 74s, and DC-10s.
 
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RE: How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Tue Dec 26, 2000 7:41 am

I would think that if it were 737NG's, FA's could work on all of them, A342/300, etc if they are just different variants it wouldn't be a problem, but 744/777 would be a problem.
rgds,
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RE: How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Tue Dec 26, 2000 8:57 am

FAR 121 = 4 distinct types.......

i.e B747-100/200/300 = 1 type.......

UA FA's cant fly all of the types listed above at the same time......
 
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RE: How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Tue Dec 26, 2000 11:40 am

No...but they do, for instance, a flight attendant based in New York may fly international for one month.

Lets say he goes to...

LHR-767
GIG-767
NRT-777
HKG-747
Inter Asia flights (JFK based crews do some of these I belive) 747
YYC-A319

Then the next month he flys domesticly to:

IAD-737
ORD-A320/757
DEN-757
SFO-767
LAX-767
But also does flights originating in DEN to:
SNA-A319
MSP-727
ATL-727
SAN-757
ORD-747

So, for this reason United flight attendants are qualified to work all types of equipment. A possible trip could be for a IAD based crew member may be:

DAY 1:
IAD-SFO A320
IAD-SNA 757

DAY 2:
SNA-ORD 757
ORD-MSY 737

DAY 3:
MSY-DEN A319
DEN-ORD 747
ORD-IAD 767

 
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RE: How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Tue Dec 26, 2000 12:37 pm

CO FA's can work any aircraft in the fleet.Where and when they fly is dictated by seniority.
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RE: How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Tue Dec 26, 2000 1:06 pm

Well i was on a flight from Malaysia to Hong Kong (this was the returning flight) and it was on a borrowed Air China aircraft painted in cathay colours.
I talked to the flight attendant and she seemed quite friendly. I aksed her what aircraft she is qualified to fly on and she said :
B777-200 and 300
A340-300 and 200 (even though cathay dont have the 200 anymore)
A330-300
B747-400
A340-300 borrowed from air china.

Aparently the Air China A340 has a different configuration in terms of galleys, etc.....hmmmmm

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RE: How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Tue Dec 26, 2000 4:44 pm

As far as different configurations go, I can confirm that all crew need to requalify on the new aircraft before they can fly it.

For instance, AI just leased an A310-324 (msn 501 - formerly 9V-STS) from SQ. AI already operates a bunch of A310-304s, but only those crew who have been through the conversion course can operate the new one. I have a list of flights here that the aircraft will be operating, along with a list of crew who are certified to operate it - them and only them are assigned to those routes until more people can be appropriately trained.
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RE: How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Tue Dec 26, 2000 5:53 pm

Considering that an F/A's primary duty is safety related and not using the galley, I'm amazed that UA can consider it safe to have them trained on that number of aircraft.

We had to get a special dispensation to have F/A's trained on 5 types during a new fleet integration. We were only allowed this waiver for one year.

New F/A's around here are only allowed to operate on 2 aircraft during their first 6 months.

Anyone can serve tea and coffee, but I would much prefer a well trained professional in charge of getting my ass out of a crashed aircraft.
 
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RE: How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Tue Dec 26, 2000 7:18 pm

AirNZ FA's are allowed to work on International and Domestic routes if they bid for it. All new recruites are put on International first (Funny hah!) Since AirNZ donot operate the Airbus i cannot comment on them but i have heard that the 762/3 are basiclly the same as each other. And the 744/742 are as well. Can anybody Confirm this??

AirNZ only operate 744/763/762/733/AT7/Metros and embraes. Very small.

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RE: How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 1:05 am

I can confirm what ILUV767 said. My fiance works for UA out of IAD, and she has flown most of the possible scenarios that were mentioned. She has actually done a domestic trip involving 737/757/A319 or A320, and in the same month through trading with someone for an international trip, flown the 777. And I also know that when they were flying 747s to LHR when she was based there, she would work it along with the 777 interchangeably. I have known her to work all of UAs types except the DC10 since we have been dating, but I am sure she worked it at some point before I met her. So yes, they can work any type in the fleet. And yes, she knows every safety aspect of every aircraft. The things she can tell me about each one amazes me.
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
 
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RE: How Many Types Can An F/A Work On?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 3:22 am

CAETravlr,

Can you ask her how many types can she have on her licence at the one time?

Thanks

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