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How Would An EWR-BUD Route Do?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 12:20 am

I know a lot of people have been speculating what routes Continental would be adding in the future. Do you think EWR-BUD (Budapest) with a 762 would do well? Malev is the only airline to serve BUD directly from the New York area (via JFK), and to my knowledge, operates with pretty good load factors.
 
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RE: How Would An EWR-BUD Route Do?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 12:24 am

That could be possible although I would expect more flights to Western Europe before BUD starts. It would probably do quite well I would think.
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RE: How Would An EWR-BUD Route Do?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 12:37 am

I too believe they will most likely add more flights to Western Europe first, but I'm not sure this is the wisest move. Why go after the ultra-competitive Western European market while most of Eastern Europe remains untouched by the other American carriers? Usually, the only competition to face (for direct flights) is the country's relatively small national airline (LOT, CSA, Malev, etc.). Besides, these economies are growing quickly, and will experience a bigger jump with EU membership, hopefully in 2003 (although not likely). Also, American investment is quite heavy. Continental is fortunate in that its New York hub happens to be in the melting pot of America, which is especially rich in Eastern European immigrants. I believe they should get a jump on the competition and establish a solid reputation as America's Eastern European specialist.
 
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RE: How Would An EWR-BUD Route Do?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 12:39 am

Not likely. Too many other cities in Europe to serve ahead of BUD, namely CPH, ARN, NCE, ATH, VCE, LYS, GVA, SVO, BCN.......

 
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RE: How Would An EWR-BUD Route Do?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 3:10 am

CPH and ARN would be a great addition...Scandinavia is all but ignored by the American lines.

ATH should work also, TWA pioneered that route and did very well for some time shuffling pax throgh CDG or JFK and onward..

GVA already has DL and SR competing on that route, a relatively small market....not too exciting.

Moscow would be fab!

Barcelona will be sucess also...little competition, no more TW.

I think Budapest and or Prague would also be great additions...CO really is in an enviable position at EWR with a strong domestic system, the right planes now to fly over the pond, and really very little stopping them from overtaking DL and AA as being the largest NY-Europe operator...I'm surprised European carriers haven't been lining up to ally with them.

CO has good things going.
 
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RE: How Would An EWR-BUD Route Do?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 3:15 am

DL does not serve GVA. US-GVA service is limited to SR's daily JFK-GVA route, served with an A330. Delta and SR terminated their alliance over a year ago.

 
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RE: How Would An EWR-BUD Route Do?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 4:05 am


I though Delta has a flight to BUD from Atlanta (via Stuttgart). So I guess
not only Malev flies between Hungary and the US. I myself would love to
see more carriers at Ferihegy (BUD), including Continental (preferable with
a 777  ). BTW, AFAIK they are about to expand the airport facilities at
BUD, so there should be plenty of space!

Janos
 
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RE: How Would An EWR-BUD Route Do?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 5:19 am

TWAneedsNOhelp, CO is already larger than AA in the NY-Europe market, and is closing the gap on DL with the latter cutting service to a few destination while we slowly but surely add new service.
 
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RE: How Would An EWR-BUD Route Do?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 6:36 am

Magyar,

the DL flight from BUD via Stuttgart to ATL with their L-1011`s has been terminated a long time ago.
Nowadays the flight turns around in STR and is operated by 763.
 
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RE: How Would An EWR-BUD Route Do?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 9:03 am

CoEWR, you right, I was thinking of ZRH, which DL opened from JFK following the break of the SR/DL alliance, Atlantic Excellence. GVA is a 330 now? I was on it 2 summers ago with a MD11.

777gk, Delta is not dropping flights from JFK, indeed only adding them....Nice, Venice, Tel Aviv, Cairo/Dubai. With the demolition of Terminal 3, renovation of Terminal 2, and the new Delta wing off of Terminal 4, this airline is only expanding at the world's largest aviation market.

I don't see any AA constriction either...in fact they bought Business Express to help support a larger scale network from JFK. What you talking about man?
 
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RE: How Would An EWR-BUD Route Do?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 9:32 am

Yes, TWA..., SR operates a 330 on the GVA-JFK route now. Most "short" longhaul routes are operated with an A330 at SR (JFK, BOS, YUL, ...). The rest is operated by MD11s until the A340 finally arrives!

And SR is in fact the only airline operating flights from the US to GVA. It is quite weird actually, because a lot of international organizations are based in GVA. It would be cool to see US airlines fly to GVA. For instance DL, AA (on an additional code-share basis with SR; maybe AA operating ORD-GVA flights?) or even CO. It would be nice to see more longhauls out of GVA, since SR pulled most of them out and placed them to ZRH.

A minor correction ContinentalEWR: SR and DL terminated their alliance this past summer. But it was in fact over a year ago when they decided to break it.


Later,

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RE: How Would An EWR-BUD Route Do?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 11:10 am

Back in the 1970's, Swissair had just two 747's and was flying them between JFK and GVA and ZRH. All other SR
longhauls were operated with DC8's and DC10's.

American Airlines operated one stop service into GVA in
1987-1988 for a very short while via ZRH with a 762. It
was pulled after low yields.

TWA operated on and off to GVA until 1992. It was
flying nonstop to JFK, originally with 707's, then the
route went via Paris CDG with an L1011, then it went
back to nonstop service for a short while with a 762
before TWA began pulling routes out of Europe.

Swiss World Airlines was formed in 1998 and flew for 2
or three months five times a week with a leased 762
(ex Air New Zealand) from GVA to EWR.

I think that CO may go in someday with a 757 but no
more. Apparently, the demand is strong, but just
enough to fill an A330 (not even an MD11 anymore).

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