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Two Class Or Three? Or Two And A Half?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 4:19 am

Many airlines provide two class service as in F and Y like well I can't remember and some have two and a half as in Virgin (Economy, Premium Y, Upper) and EVA Air (Economy, Gold or something,m First). ANd some have three like Singapore Airlines and Singapore Airlines. I was wondering, why don't every airline have F, J and Y. It's a bit weird just to have two. They're misssing the middle ppl.
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RE: Two Class Or Three? Or Two And A Half?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 4:40 am

Umm... pretty much every major international carrier offers three class service.
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RE: Two Class Or Three? Or Two And A Half?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 4:49 am

What's interesting here is the history of it.

In the beginning, one class, all pretty much F.

Then airlines began a split F/Y cabin.

In the 60's, some airlines began a C class, but this didn't catch on until the late 70's/ early 80's.

Now, some airlines are adding a forth (BA, for example). The forth is a souped up econ/ souped down business (Like PremEcon on Virgin, but on a 4 cabin airline). This cabin is, in fact, how the airlines originally envisioned Biz Class. A slightly larger seat (8 across on a 747 instead of 10), and an econ meal.

Over the years, Biz has surpassed the old F in seat comfort.

Some airlines just don't have the resourses to offer an F product that makes $$$. So they have a nice C instead.
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RE: Two Class Or Three? Or Two And A Half?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 11:31 am

Dong forget there are short haul aircraft such as Dragonair which has 3 class's on its longer routes such as beijing (they fly the A330) and shorter routes they fly the A320 and A321 where they only have business class and Economy.

I dont think it is neccessary to have first class seats on a flight less than 3 hours.

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RE: Two Class Or Three? Or Two And A Half?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 9:06 pm

British MIDLAND will have 3 classes on their new A330s.

There will be Business Class, Revised Economy (like premium Y on VS) & Economy Class.

There have been loads of posts on here about what you get in each, if you're interested...but all classes seem great value for money.

I guess that they just have 2 classes on their European flights?

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RE: Two Class Or Three? Or Two And A Half?

Wed Dec 27, 2000 9:14 pm

I know that both CP and AC used to offer F, J, and Y classes on larger aircraft (747, DC10, L1011, 767) and J and Y services on smaller aircraft (some AC767s, 320, 727, 737, DC9). A number of years ago, they revised the cabins on their longhaul aircraft to have an upgraded J class (ClubEmpress on CP, Executive First on AC) instead of an F and a J cabin. Now AC/CP offers ExecutiveFirst/ClubEmpress on its 744, 343, 763, and 762ER types, along with a Y cabin. Domestically, they offer Executive/Business on the 762, 320, 319, 737, and DC9 (as well as the 142 and F28 regionally) along with the Hospitality/Economy cabin.

I believe they did it because they couldn't make a decent profit flying both upper-end cabins.
 
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RE: Two Class Or Three? Or Two And A Half?

Thu Dec 28, 2000 6:35 am

The issue is not simply whether the airline can necessarily make a profit. For many it was an issue of prestige, before rationalism took over. First class was ALL that was available 50 years ago but increasingly the market demanded a cheaper alternative and as aircraft became larger and more reliable, the Y class product provided the bulk of revenue.

For many of the more frequent fliers, Y did not provide the comfort for the longer sectors, yet the first class fares were too expensive. Enter a "mid class" (Qantas was the first) at a premium fare. This was also to remove the annoyance of (a) leisure passengers on very cheap APEX fares flying alongside full fare economy business people, and (b) identify and upgrade the regular business passenger and provide an environment where they could work wothout the distraction of other passengers.

It has quickly become apparent that many city pairs cannot support a first class product at the prices charged, hence the growth of J class. And of course the J class product has been improved substantially as airlines compete for that premium yield passenger.

Now we see airlines configuring their aircraft according to the routes that they fly, deleting the First product and substituting the improved J. KLM, Ansett International are just two examples. Others, such as Air NZ and Qantas still have a first product, but only on selected routes. For many years, first class was not profitable at Qantas, given the low load factors in the front of the aircraft. For most airlines, first is still a marginal product, but is a matter of prestige. J is far more profitable, hence the growth in improving the Business class amenities. The movement to a "4th" cabin is purely a reflection of again separating the full fare passenger from the discount passenger, because the frequent fliers are demanding increased service levels, but at a cheaper fare. (A reflection of the glabal economy and need to cut the costs of travel). Four classes may prove difficult to manage in terms of fare level segregation, but while airlines offer an good business class product, that is all I need.

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