SInGAPORE_AIR
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Time For An AI Decision?

Thu Dec 28, 2000 7:24 am

Ive been sat here waiting for about two weeks now with no decision on whether Delta Air Lines has got Air India and I'm fed up. Does anyone know when the awards will be handed over.?

Hope Singapore Airlines loses.
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RE: Time For An AI Decision?

Thu Dec 28, 2000 7:56 am

Why are you hoping that SQ loses the AI tender?
 
B747-437B
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RE: Time For An AI Decision?

Thu Dec 28, 2000 12:58 pm

The process is on the fast track, so I estimate that it should be complete in no more than 6-8 months.
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IndianGuy
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RE: Time For An AI Decision?

Thu Dec 28, 2000 2:31 pm

Actually, I hope SQ gets thru. Both airlines can really complement each other very well to serve the region and beyond.

The process has to be complete before April, otherwise it would be a real loss of face for the govt

Remember they have set a target of disinvesting 10000 crores by then. And AI/IC are going to fetch a large part of that.
 
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RE: Time For An AI Decision?

Thu Dec 28, 2000 3:12 pm

I don't believe that govt. really cares about saving face. What they care about is the income that they will be generating from the divestment. Sorry folks. I love my country dearly, but I grade my politicians by their track records. Unfortunately, I do not see many "passing marks," if you will.

Will we at least find out (in the near future) about who wins the deal? I know that the process itself may take sometime (6-8 months).

-Gobind.
 
SInGAPORE_AIR
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RE: Time For An AI Decision?

Thu Dec 28, 2000 6:28 pm

I'm not going to tell you why I want SIA to lose as it may offfend.
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RE: Time For An AI Decision?

Fri Dec 29, 2000 2:01 am

Frankly dude, your opinions are not likely to affect the final decision for or against SQ, so either speak your mind or forever hold your peace.

I know for a fact that top people in AI actually DO monitor what is said on this forum (and no, that is not encouragement for someone to start a petition to buy the A380 or change the livery or some other juvenile idea), so if what you say has validity it may actually be considered.

Of course, my guess is its something petty like because your flight to HongKong was turbulent or because KrisWorld beat you at Tic-Tac-Toe so I won't press you too hard to come forth.
"The A340-300 may boast a long range, but the A340 is underpowered" -- Robert Milton, CEO - Air Canada
 
SInGAPORE_AIR
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RE: Time For An AI Decision?

Fri Dec 29, 2000 2:47 am

I shall speak my mind my dear B747-437B and please don't insult me like that. I try and make my comments useful and though provoking.

As I said to someone privately in this forum recently. What has the I am sure lovely Air India have to give SIA? Right, let's see, losses (for five years running), no image or reputation, and I can't think of anything else. It's like comparing a peanut to the Empire State Building really and all I can see that is good in AI is that it has rights from LHR - JFK vv. which SIA could use.

Oh and to all you directors at Air India, Happy Diwali!
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RE: Time For An AI Decision?

Fri Dec 29, 2000 3:59 am

Dear Singapore_Air,

You are right in using the peanut and the Empire State building comparison. There is no question about that. However, I believe you are expressing your naivety here. Do you think that all these airlines have presented their bids for AI just so that they can "help" AI get back on its feet?   I'm really thrilled that innocence such as yours still exists in today's cruel and ruthless business world.

My friend, you do not know the potential these foreign airlines can SUDDENLY have once they are "awarded" AI. Yes, I use the word "awarded" because I believe and know that AI is the best "positioned" airline (to make huge amounts of profits) in the entire world today! Yes! I also believe that if managed appropriately, AI could have become the most profitable and modern (fleet) airline in the world today.

Do you know that airlines such as LH and others are "eating" away sectors like Chennai - Frankfurt - USA as if AI had its eyes closed. That is true! While foreign airlines have been increasing their services into India, AI has had to reduce its services due to lack of planes ("equipment"). Nobody would know how bad I am feeling about all this. As I mentioned earlier, AI is only operating on 2 of its 5 allowed US ports. That's just sad  

So, just think about how other airlines can profit by gaining a major share in AI. The potential is unbelievable! Our (Indian) government's "incapable" civil aviation department and the AI management have just been deliberately "destroying" the airline through the years. And now, I seriously hope that this divestment plan is not just another ploy on behalf of the government to simply "cash in" on the 40% of the airline.

So, Singapore_Air, what will SQ get if they win AI? MONEY! Lots and lots of it.

Cheers!

-Gobind.
 
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RE: Time For An AI Decision?

Fri Dec 29, 2000 6:00 am

Thank you Gobind. You have opened my eyes. I can now see some potential in AI.

So you're saying management is the problem. So if SIA win, they would supposedly manage the airline better. Which probably means cutting back the unprofitable routes and using the majority of aircraft to go to Europe and the US and maybe some to Asia for big business. And I suppose that would cost AI money, which would cost SIA money in turn.
But I do like the prospect of SIA having rights to go to JFK from LHR. That would be tasty.

What I can't see is that what has the governement been doing that is so bad?
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nycank
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RE: Time For An AI Decision?

Fri Dec 29, 2000 6:46 am

I do not get the peanut and Empire State Building metaphor ? Would someone
elaborate ?

The intent to put a bid is always a business decision. SQ took a long hard look at the numbers and they liked what they saw - Same with DL/AF and the others who did not make the short-list. AI has a brand name, and many unrealized
bi-laterals. SQ has the potential to develop a hub in India, similarly DL/AF
have the possibility of using a hub. SQ has an edge because they have an indian partner - Tatas - the original owners of AI. I'm yet to figure out DL/AF
analysts thinking.
 
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RE: Time For An AI Decision?

Fri Dec 29, 2000 11:16 am

My personal desire would be to see DL/AF get it. The possibilities are endless. Same for SQ, and I would love to see what happens if they get it. Either scenario would be very interesting. I know for a fact that the management of both bidders knows exactly what they are doing. The only reason my personal hope is for DL/AF, is that it would more directly affect me as a US citizen living in the southeast, and flying Delta frequently.
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
 
nycank
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RE: Time For An AI Decision?

Fri Dec 29, 2000 11:52 am

CAETravlr:
What is it that you currently are unable to get that a AI deal would get you ?
DL & AF both fly to BOM. For you it would be ATL/CVG-FRA-BOM.

As I mentioned earlier, I do not know what briefing analyst gave to the DL/AF
management or what they saw in the RFP.... DL/AF can only own 26%.
 
IndianGuy
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RE: Time For An AI Decision?

Fri Dec 29, 2000 2:08 pm

Hey Sean, which Ai directors watch this board?

I am hoping Mr. Mascarenhas does.

 

BTW, if u r in india, call me up.
 
notdownnlocked
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RE: Time For An AI Decision?

Fri Dec 29, 2000 3:59 pm

Hopefully there are some AI management teams watching these boards so my only small request is don't change the color scheme again. Leave it the way it is now.