SInGAPORE_AIR
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Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Fri Dec 29, 2000 8:36 pm

Unfortunately, the sexy and lovely and cute Singapore Airlines has taken this approach. It's a shame. Does anyone know why this happenned and when has this stance been taken from (as in what year).

I think it is very sad. Imagine what will happen with all those disappointed people who want a glimpse at the A380 cockpit. Shame. I will write to complain.

I wonder what BA will do after the interesting hijack this afternoon / morning / evening.
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krisworldB777
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Fri Dec 29, 2000 9:02 pm

Well, on my last flight, I asked a member of the cabin crew if I could visit the cockpit and she said it was now against airline policy with a new regulation. She said she would ask the crew for me and they actually did let me but up there they said that the rule was only just coming in and soon the would be able to accept no one. I asked why and they said "the airlines wants to take no responsibility for an incident" well, OK........... Real pity though but today's BA incident highlites the danger whether invited or not.
 
Jubilee777
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Fri Dec 29, 2000 10:00 pm

I have heard stories of a few incidences where passengers were invited to the cockpit and started telling the pilots what to do, what they had done wrong / or what they should not do.

Surprising that these people with FS knowledge think they are some "mighty experts".

Wonder if any pilots had any experiences ??

J777
 
OPNLguy
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Fri Dec 29, 2000 11:38 pm

Considering what happened to the BA 747-400 last week enroute London-Narobi, it's not surprising that some carriers are doing this on their own, without waiting for ICAO or JAA.

Too bad the actions of a few spoil it for many, but hey, that's life...
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Singapore 777
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Fri Dec 29, 2000 11:40 pm

I was allowed to go on board a A340-300 cockpit on SQ215 to Perth (9V-SJB). The Captain, by the name of Bruce, was a darn nice guy...he even explained to be all the controls and everything. And he never once made me feel unwelcomed in the cockpit.

Of course, I behaved myself too unlike some high and mighty experts.
 
Guest

RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 1:50 am

I don't think that last night's visitor on the BA LGW-NBO flight was at all an invited guest - but he certainly has caused BA to instantly re-evaluate their security procedures.

The intruder was described as a 27 year old Kenyan national, who was arrested on arrival and taken to a secure hospital.
 
BH346
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 1:55 am

ANA did the same thing after a nut last year went into the cockpit and killed the pilot and wanted to fly the 747-400 under the Rainbow Bridge(!!!). Thank goodness he was taken by the crew and was arrested. He got into the cockpit by threatening to stab a f/a if she didn't let him in.  

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777kicksass
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:06 am

I think they should still let in kids in the air and maybe adults on the ground if they have time. Kids arent exactly going to stab the pilot are they? Me being 14 may allow me in!  
 
AA@DFW
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:10 am

I doubt that AA would ever completely eleminate cockpit visits - EVER. Currently, cockpit visits are allowed while parked at the gate while the seatbelt sign is off (before or after the flight). Too many passengers are interested in meeting the flight crew and checking out the "nerve center" of the plane. This is especially true for the elderly and young children. So, unless something really drastic happens, I doubt that AA (or any other U.S. based carrier) would eleminate cockpit visits.

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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:21 am

In 1998, I flew SQ 006, 9V-SMU and on the SIN-TPE leg, I was allowed to go to the cockpit because one of my dad's friends worked for SIA flying college and he took me to the flight ops room and he found out that the captain of SQ 006 was one of his students so I and my dad were allowed to visit the cockpit. From what I have heard, SIA has banned everyone from going to the cockpit unless they have been given permission from SIN. By the way, the SIA captain was very nice and he let me stay in the cockpit for quite some time. HE explained all the systems, which waypoint we were passing over and how we were going to be vectored to the runway. HE was really nice.

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exPratt
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 3:31 am

In light of what happened on the BA 747-400 LGW-NRB, it will be surprising if the world's airlines do not adopt a locked cockpit door when the airplane is in the air policy similar to what the FAA has mandated on U.S. carriers. (Don't be surprised if there is not some urgent action to reinforce the cockpit's doors and locks to prevent people from bashing their way in.) What amazes me is that the original writer of this thread had stated their intention to write a letter of complaint to SIA because they have apparently recently adopted that policy. I do not understand the basis for the individual's complaint. The cockpit is the pilot's workspace, it is their office. Companies on the ground do not grant outside visitors access to its employees workspaces just to look around. Further, a visitor to the cockpit is a distraction to the crew that can compromise the safety of the flight. In cruise flight when the crew workload is low, a visitor would probably be a minimal distraction to the crew. But there have been people on here that have stated they have been in the cockpit for the takeoff and/or landing. And at least one person on here posted pictures that he took from the jumpseat during the landing. I am appalled that commercial flight crews permit visitors to remain in the cockpit during such critical phases of flight. I am sure that for those individuals that want to visit the cockpit when the airplane is at the gate (especially after landing), the flightcrew will be more than happy to allow a passenger to look around the cockpit. Just because a passenger buys a ticket from point A to point B does automatically grant that individual rights to the cockpit while the airplane is enroute. I think the cockpit door should be closed and locked during flight and that the cockpit should be off limits except to those authorized personnel. I know I am going to get hammered by the under-25 crowd, but I would be interested in what the pilots on this forum think about this issue.
 
SInGAPORE_AIR
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 3:57 am

I think it's a total shambles. Sorry SIA but it's stupid and immature (in my point of view of course). We're not all madman. The airlines can check us if they want to, we got nothing to hide. I just wanna get into the cockpit of the lovely and sexy A380
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Guest

RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 4:32 am

Well, I don't think all airline will ban cockpit visit, just like last week, the co-pilot of AA even chat with me about aviation, and she even took a picture with me!

 
BranVan3K
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 7:33 am

Check this out,

http://www.msnbc.com/news/509204.asp

all the more reason to ban them.... its for OUR safety!
 
Guest

RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 8:15 am

I don't see how not allowing visits to the cockpit is going to stop this stuff...I mean if a person is deranged enough to hijack a jet, or annoy the flight crew, whatever, they aren't going to be deterred just because an f/a told them they can't go up...if they're so worried about it they're going to have to do a lot more than that...I must say I'm a little ticked off at the whole thing, I enjoy going up to the cockpit inflight, seeing what's goin on up there.
 
Guest

RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 8:24 am

Banning cockpit visits in flight is absolutely correct. Hope airlines outside of the US learn their lesson from the near tragedy involving the BA flight. Allowing passengers into the cockpit in flight is sheer stupidity. You allow it and you get what you deserve. Some airline enthusiasts will complain....wahhhhh..tough.....At least the U.S. has had their heads screwed on straight in this matter for decades now.
 
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 12:48 pm

ExPratt- I'm under 25, and I agree with you fully. If you walk into FBI Headquarters and cause a serious distraction, you'll probably be arrested. If you walk into a cockpit during flight and cause a serious distraction, you just might take your own life plus the lives of everyone on the plane with you.
Singapore_Air, if banning cockpit visits to protect passengers from wackos is "stupid and immature", then might I only say that you are acting like the practice you just described. The FAs don't have time to do a friggin' cavity search on everyone who wants to go into the cockpit, and even if they did, it'd be a huge inconvenience to pax. I approve fully of the locked cockpit door during flight, with only the head FA and the pilot/copilot/flight engineer (if one is present) being given the key.
Now, on the ground at the gate, there's really no reason you can't go into the cockpit and look around. Don't forget, however, that whether you visit the flight deck or not is entirely up to the pilot- it's their plane, and if they say no and you raise a fight, I applaud flight crews that kick you off.
 
Airbus Lover
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 1:18 pm

someone here mentooned SQ006, i forgot to say in the Oct. post regarding the accident, that my classmate's granny went on that flight SIN-TPE the day when the accident happened!
 
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 3:37 pm

Is this even when the plane's on the ground, terrible!
 
Cleco
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 3:59 pm

I was allowed to stand in the cockpit of a Metro III of AeroMexico on a flight from Puerto Vallarta to Mexico City. I stood there the entire flight.
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 5:16 pm

CleCo,

And you are proud of this fact??? The pilots deserve to be fired!

I really dont see how banning cockpit visitors is going to enhance safety. IF a person wants access to the cockpit and is willing to use force, there is nothing that will stop them.
 
Mr.BA
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RE: Singapore_Air

Sat Dec 30, 2000 6:34 pm

Singapore_Air,

you have said in your last post that's your opinion, not theirs. You think it is shame, but they think likewise, in this case, I think it is safety. The decision is made by them, not you, so if you continue spitting out "shame", that will be no use.

Didn't mean to offend you...

Alvin  

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SInGAPORE_AIR
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Sat Dec 30, 2000 9:35 pm

Hi

Just voicing my opinion that's all but thanks.

Just listening to Britney Spears - From THe Bottom Of My Broken Heart.

Safety is also an issue and hijacking are common, so I guess there is really looking back no solution except to lock the doors at all times. On a BA 744 (Yes I know but I had to fly with them), they let me onto the cockpit and there was the 2 pilots and one F/A behind me. So it is quite safe up there to let people in.
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RE: Airlines Banning Cockpit Visits

Mon Jan 01, 2001 1:20 am

Singapore_Air, it's nice and safe to let people in the cockpit in the air until a crazed passenger gets in and attacks the pilot, then causes the plane to crash and kills all aboard. I believe this fits the "it's all fun and games until somebody gets hurt" euphemism.

Still, I believe that if a wacko wants into the cockpit, he'll get there. Banning cockpit visits on the ground won't do much, since if a wacko takes control there, they just have airport security nab him. In the air, however, when the only people to stop the wacko are the pilots, the F/As, and a few helpful first class pax, letting people in is risky. That's why the FAA has banned inflight cockpit visits.