Matt D
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Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 1:15 pm

Have you ever seen a plane a short time before it crashed? For me, a chilling experience was seeing the EgyptAir 767 that crashed (Flt. #990). I had just arrived back from New York to LAX. I saw it sitting at the Bradley terminal as I taxied to the gate. I thought nothing of it at the time, but then the next day when I heard what had happened, and that it was the EgyptAir plane I saw, I thought...."yikes....that plane was just a few hours from oblivion.
Ever had any similar experiances?
 
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 1:22 pm

as i have said a few imutes ago in the 'Airlines banning cockpit visit'post by Singapore_air that my classmate's granny was on SQ006 SIN-TPE the day when the accident happened en-route to LAX!

Airbus Lover....my classmate is leaving this term though...sad thing!  
 
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 1:25 pm

About two months before the Egypt Air crashed, I also saw it at LAX. I also saw the Singapore Tropical about a year before it crashed at LAX. Its very sad when the planes crash   . R.I.P.  
 
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LoserKid

Sat Dec 30, 2000 1:29 pm

That's good...but I'm talking about seeing it within a day or so, or a few hours of it crashing.....I have a picture of TWA 747 N93119 (TWA #800), but that doesn't count because I took the picture over a year before the incident.
 
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:21 pm

I was on the TWA 747, flt 800, a few months before it went down. thats some scarry stuff
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:36 pm

I havent, but my dad saw an F14 minutes before it went down in suburban Nashville, TN while taxiing out on a business trip.
 
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 2:38 pm

Not an airliner, but I saw a DeHaviland Beaver crash right before my eyes. Th mechanic had reversed the flight controls, and the pilot did'nt pre-flight the plane because it was going to be a short hop across town (Anchorage), and when he tookoff, instead of making a climbing right turn, he made a decending left turn and crashed near the F.A.A. building at Lake Hood, exploding on impact, killing the pilot instantly.
 
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 3:00 pm

I was on the TWA 747, flt 800, a few months before it went down. thats some scarry stuff
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 3:05 pm

hey, sorry my message got posted twice, my internet keeps the window open, my bad.
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 3:41 pm

I'm pretty sure I saw that TWA 747 departing from JFK on Flt. 800 about a week before the crash happened. I was at JFK for the 2nd time to spot.

Very scary thing if I did, not sure if it was Flt. 800, but I saw one there before the crash.  

When did TWA retire the rest of their 747s after tha accident?
 
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 4:47 pm

I saw the SQ tropical 747 in mid September in SYD. Not long before it went down. I will keep the photo I took of it as a momento, even though it was through a window and there are bad reflections.
 
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 5:22 pm

I've seen N963AS a few times. I think once at PDX and once at LAX. The flight 261 crash took place Jan. 31 2000 and I flew an AS MD-80 to PDX the 29th and an AS 734 back down the 30th. The news of 261 was quite a shock to me that Monday and still saddens me and I'm sure it saddens many others.

I flew TW840 to FCO on a 747 in December 1996 and people were still caught up on 800 and my friends thought I was crazy for flying them, non-aviation people! My friend flew TWA to ATH the night of flight 800.

Sad stuff,

N960AS
 
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 5:31 pm

As a spotter and traveller, I happen to see most planes which later crashed... N963AS was the only MD-80 which was in ANC the day I took my Electra flight there in August 99. The Kenya A313 was a regular visitor to Amsterdam. Saw the Tropical parked in Singapore, the Concorde in JFK, etc. etc. Scary nevertheless every time an aircraft crashes...
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sat Dec 30, 2000 6:24 pm

I flew on DC8-62 HB-IDE from LOS-GVA in 1979 - it subsequently overran the runway at ATH. I was booked on the PA103 flight that was blown up over Lockerbie - I took an earlier BA flight and didn't know anything about it until the following morning. Now that was freaky...
 
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sun Dec 31, 2000 12:28 am

We had 9V-SPK in Manchester on the Sunday morning 29/10/00 just 48hours before the crash in Taipei

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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sun Dec 31, 2000 4:11 am

I took a photo of the first Lauda Air plane I had ever seen in HKG while I was getting ready to return to the US in 1991. I have photos of people walking up the stairs and into the plane from the bus. If these people even knew what they were about to get into!!! The flight left about an hour before mine and I heard about the accident when I got home.
 
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Notdownnlocked

Sun Dec 31, 2000 4:18 am

Which Lauda Air flight was that? The 767 one?
 
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sun Dec 31, 2000 4:25 am

I flew on the British Midland 737-400 only 2 hours before it crashed in 1989, it was chilling arriving home and finding out that the very same plane had crashed.
 
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RE: Flyboy767

Sun Dec 31, 2000 4:32 am

Yes it was. The flight was supposed to fly HKG-BKK-VIE but crashed in Thailand after leaving BKK because of a reverser problem. I don't know if Lauda was allowed to carry local traffic from HKG to BKK but I don't think many people would think of them for this flight except to go to VIE. I flew HKG-ANC-LAX on DL but I was staying a week in ANC and that is where I saw the news when I checked into the hotel. I was shocked but even more shocked when I got home and had the photos developed and saw these people getting on the plane.
 
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Valujet 592

Sun Dec 31, 2000 4:35 am

Not me, but I heard some fishermen in the Everglades saw the DC9 spiraling and nosediving....off in the distance....followed by a huge cloud of mud.

I think that if you'd see something like that you'd need psychological counseling!!!!!!
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sun Dec 31, 2000 5:36 am

I am not sure which one it was but the Friday before the crash one of SQ's tropical mega tops was at Auckland.

Scott.
 
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sun Dec 31, 2000 5:41 am

I seen 9V-SPK a few days before it crashed at MAN. I have also seen the remains of PA103.
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sun Dec 31, 2000 11:06 am

I flew on the Gimli Glider... does that count? (AFTER the incident though   )
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sun Dec 31, 2000 11:46 am

My grandmother and my uncles (at-the-time) girlfriend and her son watched USAir 427 crash from a soccer field. When my grandma got home she found out it crashed not far behind her house in the woods...
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sun Dec 31, 2000 1:46 pm

This is not really rated to the topic but it is related to the SIA crash. In 1996 on my first trip to USA, I was flying with my family , MH90 (It was then KUL-TPE-LAX, it now is KUL-DXB-EWR). The weather was exactly the same as it was on Oct31 2000 and we got delayed in TPE till the typhoon passed over. When we were landing, we were getting tossed about and there was heavy rain, lightning and thunder.
On a side note, I flew 9V-SPJ, on Sep 5th 2000. This aircraft was delivered just before 9V-SPK.
 
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sun Dec 31, 2000 2:42 pm

I've seen N739PA akak Clipper Maid of the Seas in person in 1985, 1986 and 1987 at JFK and LHR as well as DEL before the crash and I saw the remains after PA 103 blew up over Lockerbie. The windows of that reconstructed 747 really scared me as I could picture the people inside sitting down talking, eating, etc. Even though my best friend and his family were at the rear of the plane when it blew up but I still couldn't help picturing that he was in one of those seats staring out of that shattered plexiglass window looking at me. I've gotten over it and have made a few more trips but that feeling will tend to stick with me when I look at the wreck. I felt even more sorry for those who lost loved ones on TWA 800 because the wreckage was more bigger and there were more windows that I couldn,t take my eyes off because of the feeling that the passengers were just looking out those window right before the plane blew up and now they're no longer there. This is the most disturbing feeling I've had but then again this is probably what most victim's families and friends go through when they (including me and my family) lose loved ones. Counseling has helped me diminish most troubling thoughts and visions but this is one thing I can't get rid of. So when I look through a windows of a crashed plane on the ground or in a warehouse reconstructed like TWA 800 and PA 103 I just get that erie feeling just by looking through them and feeling like they're still there even though the victims have been long dead and buried.
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Sun Dec 31, 2000 3:43 pm

My family and I were at JFK on a Korean 747-400 HL-7460 on Sept. 2, 1998. We we pulled up to our gate for a short refuel before heading to Seoul. We pulled up next to the Swiss Air MD-11 (flt 111) that crashed in Nova Scotia. We were talking to the people who were going to board that ill fated airliner. Some of the older ladies were talking to us commenting on how cute my kids were and things like that. We boarded and took off, and they were to depart about 30 minutes behind us. Needless to say when we got to our final destination we heard the news. It was very depressing to learn that those nice folks never made it to there destination and in fact perrished only 2 hours after we had spoken to them. That is a very freeky felling, and one that i'll never forget. God bless them and rest in peace!
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 8:38 pm

I happened to fly TWA the day that flight 800 crashed.

I was connecting to EVA at JFK. My Saab 340 commuter was parked right next to N93119
just hours before it crashed.

There were no annocement at all in the international terminal that night. The only information that the ariport gave the pax were that all flights into and out of JFK was delayed.

My flight with EVA did not come in until 12:30AM (about 1 hour behind schedule). Only the next day when I arrived in TPE that the taxi driver told me that there had been a crash at JFK. Only then I realize the reason for all the delay.

I only recognized that the 747 parked next to me was N93119 because I was thinking to mysleft that a registration ending in a 9 is a bad number (for chinese).
 
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Swissair 111

Tue Jan 02, 2001 12:37 am

Hello!

I happened to see the Swissair MD11 HB-IWF on 02.09.1998 at JFK just some hours before it crashed near Newfoundland.

On that day we arrived in JFK with a KLM 747-400 from Amsterdam and taxied alongside 2 SR MD11's and 1 SR 747-300. I still remember that I was wondering about the occurrence of 2 MD11's at the same time, but at the same afternoon I checked the Swissair timetable and saw that the 747 and one MD11 were on the two Zürich flights while the other MD11 was on the Geneva route. So I don't know which one of the two MD11's actually was HB-IWF, but still knowing that I have seen it hours before crashing caused a feeling like a stone in the stomach when reading the headlines on the next day...

Another one which I saw (and photographed) in june 1990 was the Air Malta 727-200 OB-1303 at Malta Luqa airport. It was leased for the summer season from Faucett Peru and wore full Air Malta colors. 2 or 3 month later, when being ferried back to it's owners in Peru, it disappeared without any trace over the north Atlantic.

Best regards,

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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 12:44 pm

I was working at Halifax International a few years ago. One night my friend and I were out doing some AVOP D training (driving along the runways & taxiways). We were on the approach road to 24 when I heard ground talking to the rescue vehicles. She was telling them things like souls on board, fuel in tonnes. I called her up and told her I'd head back to the hanger as there was obviously something going on.

On my way back I heard her say that the crew was reporting smoke in the cockpit, then a moment later they were declairing an emergency. I became quite concerned, I knew it was a large aircraft as she had said there were 230 souls and 240 tonnes of fuel (later this became the total weight of the aircraft at the time of the emergency).

I drove to the end of 06 with some guys from work and swiched my radio to 119.2 to listen in. "Swissair 111 Moncton center do you copy?", "Swissair 111 Moncton center do you copy?". I figured that they had gone into Shearwater an airforce base just on the coast, because no one could raise them. Then I heard a speedbird flight call in and offer assistance.

About 5 minutes later a G-1 operated by Airwave transport departed 24 for Moncton. When they contacted center they were asked if they would go over the last reported radar position to see if there was anything there. "Tell me if you can see any flairs, fire, rafts anything" the controller said. They circled for about 5 minutes but saw nothing. When they went on course for Moncton one of the pilots asked center what kind of plane it was they were looking for, so they could fill out a delay report. When the controller came back and said an MD-11 my heart jumped.

I went down to Peggy's cove that night, it was crazy. This story can go on for a while so I'll leave it at that. Anyway that's the closest I've come.

I'll never forget that night
My sympathy goes out to all those involved
Runway
 
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 1:16 pm

I saw on three separate occasions an SQ Tropical Megatop. I do not know whether it was 9V-SPK or not.

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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 1:40 pm

Runway,

Re: SR111

>> a G-1 operated by Airwave transport departed 24 for Moncton. <<

That would be an erie coincidence if that G-1 was the same one operated by Airwave Transport that crashed last summer killing both pilots.

They only had 2 or 3, so the odds would be good.

http://www3.nf.sympatico.ca/guardian/20000719GRUMMAN_TECH.htm

Aviation can be a small world sometimes.  

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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 1:44 pm

There was a charter airline that operated charters into MBJ using a DC-8. I remember seeing the aircraft taking off four times and having to return to the terminal due to the planes inability to gain altitude. On the fourth attempt at take off i saw the aircraft bank to the left and do at least a 40 degree dive before the pilot managed to pull it out of the dive a couple hundred feet above the water.( this is true as the water became rippled from the power of the jets engines.) Anyway, the following day the same aircraft went down on a flight from Italy to the Dominican Republic. I think the cause of the accident was ruled to be radar failure as the plane slammed into a mountain somewhere over the Canary Islands. ( The location I will stand corrected if I am wrong.)
 
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RE: Ever See A Doomed Airliner?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 1:53 pm

Runway,

Nevermind my last post, reading the report I posted I see the aircraft was aquired just before it crashed, so it couldn't have been the same one.

On the subject at hand I do remember seeing the Air India B747 parked at YYZ terminal 2 just before it departed on it's fateful flight. I could just see the tail and part of the fuselage and never saw the extra 5th engine it was carrying.

Anyway this whole thread is a little creepy (weird).

JC