scaredflyer21
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Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Mon Jan 01, 2001 5:23 am

Why do airlines want window shade up during take off and landing?
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englandair
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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Mon Jan 01, 2001 5:28 am

I'd wondered that too!
I guess it's so if there is an emergency & the cabin lights go out, people wont be left in complete darkness.
Although I have noticed that on some carriers (by veiwing photos) often t/o & land with shades down.
 
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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Mon Jan 01, 2001 5:29 am

On QF, NZ, KE, SQ and AN they did not ask any of us to open our Window shades during takeoff.

I would also like to know why other airlines appart from these do it.

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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Mon Jan 01, 2001 5:48 am

It has to do with evacuation in case of an accident! Before he flight attendants open the doors , they need to make sure that there is no danger outside,I.e. smoke, fire, fuel leak and so forth. In that case they will open only the exits to the safe side.
I hope that answers your question!
 
flyf15
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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Mon Jan 01, 2001 5:49 am

I have come to believe its all part of situational awareness. With windowshades open, you can instantly see what is going on, where you are, what the status is outside the aircraft (fire, ...) and other things.
 
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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Mon Jan 01, 2001 6:01 am

I think it's because most people like their windows open. Especially during takeoff and landing. And the airline want people opening their window on the ground, so all the windows will be uniform without exceptions. Otherwise you'll have a plane with windows open here and there, some close some open, looking very disorganized. It also give a bad image to the airline.
 
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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Mon Jan 01, 2001 6:36 am

For United, this is not a policy. UA has specifically instructed FAs that it IS NOT a requirement that we have pax raise their shades during takeoff & landing. Many FAs have been erroneously telling pax to do this and it must have somehow gotten back to management.

Personally, I still instruct passengers ONLY at the WINDOW EXITS to raise their shades, and I will continue to do so. The reason being is that in the event of an evacuation you must ensure there is no obstruction, smoke, fire, or debris near the exit door. You can only see any of this if the shades are up. If there IS any fire, obsruction, or debris, you obviously cannot evacuate from that particular exit. This is drilled into us during emergency procedures training.

However, regarding non-exit window shades being up, the rationale for FAs insisting upon this is that if pax notice any peculiarities (such as smoke, fire, or anything else unusual on the tarmac), they can readily inform a crew member. We often rely on passengers to be our eyes and ears since we cannot see anything outside during taxi.

And for that reason, many of United's FAs still disobey that policy and continue to instruct all pax to raise the shades. Again, I'll only do it if it pertains to overwing window exits. Sorry, boss.
 
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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Mon Jan 01, 2001 7:41 am

Airnewzealand - When I have been on SQ and NZ, they have asked us to raise the shades...
"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
 
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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Tue Jan 02, 2001 9:00 am

Virgin Flyer...... When did you travel with them? I was on them a year ago and they said not to put the shades up. Also my sister flew on them a week ago and they did not instruct them to put the shades up.

Cheers
mikey
 
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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Tue Jan 02, 2001 10:30 am

I flew SQ December 1999 and February 2000, and Air New Zealand in April 2000. In fact, I remember that it wasn't on all legs, but we definitely had to open them when I returned to Auckland on SQ, and when we arrived in Rarotonga on NZ.
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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Tue Jan 02, 2001 11:06 am

The only windowshade requirement UA has I believe isn't really a requirement, just a polite request to shut windowshades while viewing movies, or during night flights when people want to sleep.
 
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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Tue Jan 02, 2001 12:30 pm

It's so the pilots can see both ways before crossing an intersetion! 

On some flights I've seen FAs coming around to make sure shades were open before landing.

Corey777
 
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Tue Jan 02, 2001 4:05 pm

The only preperations i have ever heard of and seen when a plane is taking off or landing is the dimming of cabin lights. I asked some of the sky waitress this and they told me its so in the case of an accident, they would be used to the darkness in a night emergency
 
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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Tue Jan 02, 2001 5:15 pm

My shade is always open on takeoff & landing. Thats on Royal Jordanian, American, Delta, TWA, British Airways. These 5 carriers I flew in last 2 - 7 years now....

I wanna see everything on take off & landing as welll.


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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Tue Jan 02, 2001 6:02 pm

Back in my Navy days on a detachment to Miramar a friend and I asked this very question to the flight attendant on our C-9 (DC-9) flight. He told us it is so rescue workers on the ground can see where people are or are not or if there, to see if they are visibly alive in an accident or incident. Kind of morbid he told us but that's what they were told in training.

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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Tue Jan 02, 2001 7:19 pm

A little of the subject here but Virgin Flyer......
How did you like my hometown Rarotonga?? I come from Avarua so i think Raro is a beautiful place. My sister recently flew to NAdi (Fiji) and they also did not tell the passengers to put there shades up on both flights. They flew on the 744. When i am at AKL airport and am at the viewing tower i always see aircrafts especially Air Pacific... with there shades down. I must admitt it does look messy.

Where abouts in AKL are ya??

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mikey
Haere RA from New Zealand

PS i will ask my sister tomorrow if and why they put the shades up as she works for AirNZ.
 
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RE: Why Do Airlines Want Window Shades Open...

Tue Jan 02, 2001 7:33 pm

Cool. Rarotonga is a really nice place, I enjoyed my time there, and hope to return soon. Have you heard of the Vaimaanga Hotel thats being developed there?

Also, what divison of AirNZ does your sister work in? International or Domestic? Perhaps you should e-mail me, we dont want to hijack this thread now, do we...!

But I have to agree with Baec777xxx, you would never catch me with the shade down, I dont want to miss a thing!!!
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