deecee8
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Northwest DC-10's?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 10:29 am

Can anyone tell me if NWA plans to retire their DC-10's anytime soon ? And what equipment type will replace it ? I know that CO is replacing it's DC-10's with 767-400's and DL is replacing it's L-1011's with the
767-400 also. Just wondering if anybody knows ?
Thanks.
 
Guest

RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 10:33 am

NW should be stating their fleet plans for the future shortly
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 10:41 am

Please make use of the "Search" function. I've suggested this thread for deletion.
 
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N-156F

Mon Jan 01, 2001 11:06 am

N156F,
Did you really need to suggest this thread to deletion? Did you even take to note that DEECEE8 joined this forum 43 minuits ago!!!!!!!!!!!!??? Please what are you trying to prove? How was he supposed to know that this topic has been brought up about 500000000000000000000000000 times? Does it really bother you if this thread exists and finds its way to the bottom in a few hours? The deletion feature is for offensive posts buddy!
COME ON!
 
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VirginFlyer
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 11:18 am

This has been discussed numerous times, but as you're new, you wouldn't have heard this. Anyway, this was the general outcome:

NWA are likely to replace the DC-10-40 with the 757-300, although a member of the 767 family could be used.

The DC-10-30 will likely be replaced by the 767-400, although NWA could decide to pass over the 767 family completely, opting instead for the 777-200ER, which would be a stepping stone to the 777-300ER to replace the classic 747s in service with them

Alternatively, NWA could go to Airbus, and order the A330-200. This has been touted as very likely by some people. An announcement is expected in the 1st Quarter of 2001, i.e. any time from now to the begining of April. Probably will come in late january or early february if you ask me. They will definietely look closely at their alliance partner KLM's fleet plans, and could well try and match them. Then again, they could do their complete own thing.

So, thats about as much as can be said for certain, its really no use speculating as none of us run NWA, so we best sit tight and wait for an announcement. Meanwhile, this topic has already been beaten to death, and then some.
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 11:39 am

DEECEE8, this is a really good thread, this was my 1st question when I joined this forum about 4 months ago, and it still is a hot topic. Like a lot of people have said in the past, but I think the crazy boys in MPLS. will go with the" bus" the A330. Not my 1st choice, somthing like the best airliner made, the 777 would be more like it.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 1:06 pm

Welcome to the forum DEECEE8.

Just go to the search feature at the top of your screen and enter in something like, "northwest dc-10 replacement". Several topics and threads will come up regarding this.

In the meantime, just ignore impatient creeps like N-156F.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 5:03 am

IF NW decides to go with KLM they will order the 777-200ER because I heard that KLM has some 777s on order.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 7:04 am

MSPman: plse can you give the source where you've heard/read KLM orders 777. I think they're going to lease from ILFC but it's only guessing until now..nothing has been said to the press from KLM

PH  
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 7:18 am

This question without a doubt is the $65,000 dollar airliners.net question, what will NW replace its DC-10s with.

Please don't delete this thread. Even if DEECEE8 had already been apart of the forum, I've noticed regulars on this site like to hash and rehash certain hot airline issues out, over and over again, like what will NW get to replace the DC-10. That is what makes this site fun. The topics are very efficiently arranged so that if you don't want to discuss a topic you don't have to.
 
cba
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 9:44 am

Northwest has 2 types of DC-10's they need to replace, the domestic -40 model, and the international -30 model. The -30 will probably be replaced by either the 777-200ER or the A330-300. The -40 model could be replaced by the 753, 763, or the 764. If NWA goes with the A330 for the DC-10-30 replacement, then they will most likely opt to use the 753 as a DC-10-40 replacement. But if they choose the 777, then they might choose to go with the 767 family.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 9:49 am

Cba,
I don't think the -40 series was strictly a domestic version.
Tom
 
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RE: King767

Tue Jan 02, 2001 9:56 am

Why? Some facts would be nice, rather than just opinion - thanks!
 
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Nz152

Tue Jan 02, 2001 10:05 am

I have recalled the -40 series operating international services. Also look at JAL. The -40 operates with several of JALs subsidaries, which operate all over asia.
Tom
 
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RE: Nz152

Tue Jan 02, 2001 10:15 am

Yes, the -40 did operate international services, but right now with NWA, most of the -40's are used on domestic routes, and the -30's on international routes.
 
azjubilee
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 1:37 pm

As far as the DC10-40 being only domestic. Now it is. When the DC10 order was placed in the 70s it only consisted of the 22 -40s. They flew international as well as domestic. When the -30s started coming online in the early 90s the international fleet was a mix of both a/c. The -40 mainly hoping the atlantic and the -30 headed out toward the NRT and KIX hubs. Recently though they've streamlined the -40 to HNL and domestic flights and the -30 strictly international due to its increased cargo capacity and range. I'm sure in a pinch, you'll find them swapping. In fact today, HNL will see a -30 due to a ship change in MSP.

Any more ????


AZJ
 
cba
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 1:47 pm

>>When the -30s started coming online in the early 90s...<<

DC-10 production stopped in the 80's (1985?), NWA couldn't have possibly taken delivery of new DC-10's in the 90's.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 1:56 pm

Nw never ordered a new DC-10-30. All of their DC-10-30 A/c are second hand aircraft. They began to arrive at NW in the early '90s. The previous poster is correct.
 
azjubilee
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 2:02 pm

I never said NW took delivery of NEW DC10s in the early 1990s. Take the words as face value. The original batch came USED from Swissair. They've also got a batch from Korean, Varig and Thai. I believe that fleet is about 24 strong now.


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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Wed Jan 03, 2001 3:57 am

I've been following the NWA DC-10 debate for some time now and every time I hear that NWA is going to replace the DC-10, NWA buys more DC-10s. Therefore, the following question (allthough I admit it's a little stupid): Does NWA has any plans to buy even more DC-10-30s? At this moment Continental in phasing out some DC-10s and wonder whether NWA showed any interest in them.

Regards
Laurens Janssen
 
gnx99
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Wed Jan 03, 2001 9:46 am

The Minneapolis papers have said it's down to the B777 or the A330
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Wed Jan 03, 2001 11:40 am

The DC10-30s Northwest has most recently bought (within last 2 years or so) were pruchased strictly because NW needed the capacity as soon as possible and the DC10s were available. The -30s recently pruchased are low time and fairly late models from Thai and will most likely be among the last retired from the fleet come a replacement.

Don't look for NW to be buying any CO DC10s (unless they plan some rapid expansion or want a couple for maitnence reserve or something) because the replacement will be ordered once the mechanics labor contract is passed.
 
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RE: Northwest DC-10's?

Thu Jan 04, 2001 12:38 am

cba is right.
nwa has an outstanding order for a-330-300s to replace dc-10s, although that order could be transformed into an order for a-320-family aircraft.
in addition, nwa is believed to be seriously thinking about introducing the 757-300 on domestic-routes as dc-10 successor.
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