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Alitalia-the Best Pilots?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 11:16 pm

Ok, first of all I haven't flown every airline, so I cannot say who has the best pilots, but Alitalia certainly has great pilots. Everytime I land in one of their planes, especially the 747, they kiss the ground. You never feel it, FANTASTIC. Also when they hand fly the plane like on Final and after takeoff, the movements are very fluid like even in turbulence... FLY ALITALIA.

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RE: Alitalia-the Best Pilots?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 2:58 am

Well i certainly do agree with you Olympic, Every landing i have done in an Alitalia aircraft was exactly how you described. Wether it was a 747-200 or a MD82.

There are many very well trained commercial pilots out there, does not matter the airline. However this post is one of the many reasons why Alitalia is my favorite airline!

There maintenance program is another reason.


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RE: Alitalia-the Best Pilots?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 5:29 am

Don't know but Crossair must have very good pilots, to land at London City and Lugano, takes skill.
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RE: Alitalia-the Best Pilots?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 6:45 am

I think, in every airline are good and bad pilots. I oubt, that Alitalia has the best ones.

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RE: Alitalia-the Best Pilots?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 10:46 am

In my opinion...the best pilots were those guys that use to fly into Hong Kong's Kai Tek Airport...the infamous checkerboard approach...or the 135 freight pilots flying ILS's to 100 and 1/2 four times a night...talk about good stick and rudder skills...

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RE: Alitalia-the Best Pilots?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 2:06 pm

I saw Alitalia MD-11's landing at Kai Tak, and they didn't look like very good landings to me.
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RE: Alitalia-the Best Pilots?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 3:01 pm

Well, as far as landings at the old Kai Tak is concerned, AZ's pilots were certainly the "best"..........that is, for my photography!! You have a much much better chance of seeing an "interesting" checkerboard approach with Alitalia's MD-11's than with anybody else!!! 

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RE: Alitalia-the Best Pilots?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 4:52 pm

I am an Alitalia fan. I couldn't be anything else sice AZ is my Country's flag carrier but I have enough common sense to say that they aren't the best airline in the world and they must improve in many sectors, beginning from their employees' actitude.
Anyway I am proud to say that Alitalia has very good pilots and the level of safety and maintenance is among the best in the world.
That's why I can't wait to fly on an Alitalia 747 next April to New York (another reason is my frequent traveller programme!)
For all of you that thinks that "Alitalia sucks" I can only say: don't have prejudices and give them a chance, things are improving.


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RE: Alitalia-the Best Pilots?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 5:00 pm

I lived on the hill left of the approach, i could see every approach and every landing.
The best ones were the Cathay Pacific pilots that did a great approach, they noirmally stayed more left to the approach lights so they could have more time in lining up for touchdown.

The worst approaches were by Philipine Airlines and Singapore Airlines that always seemed to go around at least once.....not dues to weather conditions or as such but it was specifically the 747-200's....dont know why. But i think Singapore Airline pilots are good!

I have seen some crazy approaches made by the Alitalia MD-11, sometimes they are too low and it looks very exciting.
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RE: Alitalia-the Best Pilots?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 9:13 pm

I agree with Final Approach and NZL; having seen quite a few Kai Tak 13IGS landings by AZ M11s, I think they were incredibly lucky not to have lost an aircraft at Kai Tak. Never once did I see a landing which wasn't botched in some way - too high, too short, heavy, etc. Still, as you say (NZL?) I think it was great for photos!
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RE: Alitalia-the Best Pilots?

Tue Jan 02, 2001 9:38 pm

There's an old saying about Finnair pilots, that they never cancel a flight due to weather but always gets you safely to your destination. This is based on the old days when all AY pilots where old air force pilots and it was more up to the pilot to decide, and not so much up to ATC. That they have seen every kind of weather imagineable helps as well.

But if you want to find some of the best in the world, Wideröe (WF) must be on your short-list. Wideroe flies to a lot of really short runways in northern Norway. Some of these strips are wedged in between mountains and fjords and the weather conditions are often far from ideal. Can Alitalia pilots say the same? Don't think so! WF pilots do a fantastic job and must be among the best.

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RE: Alitalia-the Best Pilots?

Wed Jan 03, 2001 12:41 am

I'll add another voice to the AZ MD11s at HKG. Interesting approaches is a huge understatement!!! I am also surprised they did not do more serious damage at Kai Tak. Admittedly, the MD11 appears to be a difficult aircraft to fly, with quite a few airlines providing interesting approaches with their's including JAL.

AZ food and service is quite good. I have only every flown LHR-FCO-HKG and back with them, but I was very impressed.

As for SQ pilots, they also flew a few 'wobbly' approaches into Kai Tak. I am not sure though that they are good pilots. I have heard a bit about what really happened at Taipei and I shook my head and said 'holy s**t' when I heard, but with all the things I have heard about SQ, I am not very surprised to hear this. Having encountered them on the airways a few times I would say that out of all the majors, they are (On the whole) selfish and uncurteous pilots. On busy airways when pilots all co-ordinate with each other on a common frequency so we can all get good flight levels, SQ will just ignore you and not help. Do them a good deed like read them some information of interest to them and maybe they will mutter out a quiet thanks. That's about it.
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RE: Alitalia-the Best Pilots?

Wed Jan 03, 2001 3:53 am

CX flyboy,
indeed, the MD11 is quite unstable at low speeds, and it is known for it's eager to present the PF with a tailstrike at touchdown (pitch up effect during the flare).
Not the plane to give to low-hour FO's...

by the way, no airline has the best pilots, most majors only have experts in their cockpits, including Alitalia.
SQ is indeed not the best outfit to find cooperative pilots (do they know the term CRM?...).
Italy has some interesting fields too, like Florence (very nice approach, but you sure sweat), Bergamo, Genua are some fields with either very short runways or terrain in the area!

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