Neo
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Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Wed Jan 03, 2001 10:38 pm

I have posted many times about TAM. However, i never got any reply. So i was wondering why is that?? I mean TAM is the 2nd largest Brazilian Airline and it is growing really fast.

Just to inform you, TAM is one of the largest if not the largest, operator of F-100 in the world. It has about 51 of those. TAM's network is beeing improved.

Today TAM flies from GRU to:

MIA - 2 daily flights with the A332
CDG - 5x week with A332 * soon to become daily

And this year new destinations will be added such as:
FRA, MXP,MAD, SCL and EZE.

And new flights like:
BSB-MAO-MIA with A320
3rd daily MIA service with A332

All this will be possible with the A320's, A332 that are already beeing delivered.

Again, i really don't understand why so few know about TAM. I wish you guys could explain that to me.

Best Regards

Neo
 
gkirk
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Wed Jan 03, 2001 10:42 pm

Do you think they will start flying to the UK soon?
BTW, the largest operater of the F100 is American Airlines I believe with about 80 a/c.
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steman
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Wed Jan 03, 2001 10:44 pm

Hi Neo,
I know TAM and i think is one of the most interesting airline on the scene today: they are growing very fast and are building a reputation of good service;
I wouldn't be surprised if it will become like a South American "Emirates" or "Virgin Atlantic".

I think TAM will soon join in a major alliance; if you consider that Star has Varig i Brazil and Oneworl has LanChile in Chile, TAM should join SkyTeam to avoid competition within the same alliance.

I am looking forward to see one of their A332 in Rome
and TAM A330-200 is also one of the prettiest model in my collection o 1:400 diecats airliners models.

Ciao

Stefano
 
rojo
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Wed Jan 03, 2001 10:48 pm

I do know about TAM (Transportes Aereos del Mercosur), my brother flew them to Rio de Janerio. He like them very much. I´ll like to fly them when I get to go to Brazil.

Rojo
 
Neo
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Wed Jan 03, 2001 10:49 pm

GKirk

Well, i mention one of the world's largest, so ,....... i think that was right

yeah, i see some good chances of TAM start service to UK, but probably in 2002. They have got permission to add service to FRA, MXP, CDG and MAD, wich they will do this year!!!

Neo
 
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Wed Jan 03, 2001 11:55 pm

Probably to LHR or LGW, but It will still be great to see one of their A330s in the UK. I have seen photo's of the A330s and they look great.
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Rafabozzolla
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Thu Jan 04, 2001 12:50 am

Just a few corrections:

-Service to Paris is already daily

-TAM has already anouced its international expasion:
Frankfurt daily
Madrid daily
8th weekly flight to Paris
5 daily to Buenos Aires
requested 2 daily to Montevideo
2 more daily to the USA, one of wich will be BSB-MAO-MIA with an A320.

Nothing concrete about London or Italy so far.

 
steman
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Thu Jan 04, 2001 1:05 am

Probably Italy is a too difficult market for TAM considering the huge amount of flights between Rome/Milan and South America operated by Alitalia, Varig and Aerolineas Argentinas.
Situation could change if both Alitalia and TAM would join the same alliance, SkyTeam for example or if they would start a code share agreement.

Ciao

Stefano
 
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Thu Jan 04, 2001 1:07 am

TAM need a new livery and will they fly into Asia also? i think theyll eventually take over VASPs route to Japan 

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Airmale

Thu Jan 04, 2001 1:43 am

TAM does not need a new livery. They already have a new one, case you didn´t know.
It is awesome!!!!!
Flights to Japan are not likely to happen in the near future. TAM is focusing in Europe and LAmerica.

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RIOJANEIRO
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Thu Jan 04, 2001 3:12 am

Just to let you know I also know about TAM and am VERY optimistic about their future. I hope to see them increase flight frequencies from Brazil to the world, since all the other Brazilian carriers never do. Varig added its first new European destination, Munich this year. I think it has been the first time in about 15 years! TAM, on the other hand, seems to be alot more profitable. VASP cancelled all int'l routes, and Transbrasil still may fly to Orlando and maybe Buenos Aires, but not much besides that.
 
Neo
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Thu Jan 04, 2001 3:57 am

just to let you know,,,, Transbrasil flies daily non-stop flights between GRU-LIS and some Northeast Brazil cities to LIS, like Recife and Salvador.

What you said about Varig never expanding their services is so not true. They just did last year when they started to fly into Washington, unfortunately they dropped that route few months later.

And don't forget that Transbrasil flew to LON, VIE and AMS in Europe before backing down to only LIS. And VASP had plants of destination world wide.

Just corrections

Neo
 
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Thu Jan 04, 2001 5:13 am

Hello everybody!

I am Robert from Buenos Aires, Argentina. I think that TAM is a company with a brilliant future, expanding soon to Europe and fortunately coming to Buenos Aires from March 2001. Will all planned flights be GRU-EZE-GRU with A320? Any flight from GIG to BUE? How about the A330 coming to Buenos Aires, to take pax to GRU and then CDG, MXP, FRA? That is a possibility, I think. If they succeed, I guess they will put an A330 late evening flight EZE-GRU-some point in Europe. It would be great to see those aircraft here in EZE.

Regards,

Robert.
 
RIOJANEIRO
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Thu Jan 04, 2001 2:57 pm

Sorry Neo,
I meant that VARIG has opened many routes in the past, but unfortunately, many have not done so well, and have shut down. For instance, VARIG used to fly (in the U.S.) to Atlanta, Chicago, San Francisco, Washington, but they all pulled out after a while. Currently, VARIG flies to MIA, LAX, MCO, and JFK, if I am not mistaken. It was really sad to see VARIG pull out of Southeast Asia and Africa. I always thought that the Rio-Sao Paulo-Johannesburg-Bangkok-Hong Kong flight would do well. Oh well, its always fun to remember the days when VARIG did fly to places like Lagos, Luanda, Johannesburg, Kai Tak(Hong Kong) and others
:-(
P.S. Do you know if VARIG has pulled out of any European Cities such as Copenhagen, Porto, Amsterdam, and Zurich? I know they were facing difficulties in Europe for a while, but varig.com.br, hasn't been very helpful in informing me where VARIG flies today.
 
Rafabozzolla
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Thu Jan 04, 2001 4:20 pm

Varig still flies to CHP 3 times a week via LHR.

BTW, Varig's new CEO greatly opposes the downscalling routes policies of his forerunner. Let's hope for new services. It has already been granted new flights for current destinations in Europe and to Canada (back to Toronto?)
 
Copacabana
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Thu Jan 04, 2001 10:21 pm

Current Varig European Destinations:

London (LHR)
Paris (CDG)
Frankfurt
Munich
Copenhage
Rome
Milan
Lisbon
Madrid


 
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TAM-Mudando Seu Modo, E O Mundo

Thu Jan 04, 2001 11:01 pm

TAM is an awesome airline--my favorite Brazilian airline, and much better than any US domestic carrier in terms of service and food. In October, I flew Guarulhos-Navegantes-Porto Alegre and was served two hot meals (each leg of flight was ca. 1hr) and various chocolates. The FAs really acted like they liked their jobs and were very accomodating to those passengers who could not speak Portuguese. Beautiful FAs.

TAM has an incredible marketing strategy that has saved it from the fate of other SAmerican carriers. Its new service with A320 from Brasilia to Miami will be great. I would much rather fly a broken up trip than that long 10 hour flight from Chicago on United.

TAM--Um estilo de voar
 
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Thu Jan 04, 2001 11:35 pm

I have heard TAM wants to start operations between Rio and AMS or Rio and CPH.
Oh I sure hope they will start services to AMS, they don't have any brazillian companies left there, that is a shame as they used to have Varig and Transbrasil.
 
sas767
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RE: Why Does Nobody Knows About Tam?

Fri Jan 05, 2001 12:22 am

The following note concerning TAM, was written in one of the December issues of Flight International.

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TAM plans to expand routes into Europe
Brazil's TAM is planning an expansion of its European network and is vying with rival Varig to take over routes from embattled Brazilian carrier VASP.
The airline currently serves Paris Charles de Gaulle twice a day - one service is operated in its own right by an Airbus A330-200, while the other is flown by Air France under a codeshare. The airline is eyeing certain VASP routes to take over, at the request of the Brazilian government.
TAM plans to serve Frankfurt from June, and Madrid from the end of next year or in early 2002. The Brazilian airline is also evaluating services to Copenhagen or Amsterdam, although plans for a Milan service have been dropped for the time being.

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It would very nice to see TAM expanding their network to include Copenhagen. But personally I have my doubt that there will be room for two Brazilians Airlines at CPH - Hope I'm wrong  

Best regards

SAS767
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