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Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 11:32 am

Read this information that was obtained from the Boeing website in a survey that was done by a few airlines worldwide. Passengers Prefer Boeing Comfort for Long Flights.


Results from a new in-flight survey of more than 8,000 passengers provide the latest evidence that passengers on long flights overwhelmingly prefer Boeing jetliners to competing products.

The survey, conducted by 10 major international airlines, focused predominantly on passengers traveling between the Asia-Pacific region and Europe or North America. About 15 percent of the respondents were passengers traveling on long flights between the United States and Europe or Latin America.

"These results are consistent with surveys we and others have conducted worldwide," said Seddik Belyamani, executive vice president of Sales, Boeing Commercial Airplanes Group. "For lengthy flights, passengers prefer airplanes that have been optimized for long-range comfort, and those airplanes overwhelmingly are the Boeing 747, 777 and 767."

This survey was the latest in a series of ongoing surveys conducted worldwide. The survey was conducted between October 1999 and May 2000, using standard passenger-preference survey methodology. Eleven airplanes in common use on longer flights were listed. Using a seven-point passenger-preference scale, respondents rated each airplane they had flown on in the previous two years, rating each of those planes against each other for flights similar to the one at the time of the survey. Results were then tabulated and shared with all participating airlines.

Here are some results worth noting:

* Boeing 747 vs. Airbus A340: Overall, two out of three respondents preferred the 747 over the A340 for long flights. Eighty-six percent of passengers in first class preferred the Boeing 747 to the A340, as did 73 percent of business-class passengers and 65 percent of economy-class passengers.

* Boeing 777 vs. Airbus A340: The 777 continues to overwhelm the A340 in passenger-preference surveys. Passengers gave the 777 their highest overall preference rating, with three out of every four passengers preferring the 777 over the A340. Eighty-one percent of first-class passengers preferred the 777, as did 72 percent of passengers in business class and 71 passengers in economy class.

* Boeing 767 vs. Airbus A330: Passengers voiced a strong preference for the 767 over its closest competitor, the A330. Sixty-three percent of first-class passengers preferred the 767 over the A330, as did 57 percent of business-class passengers and 57 percent of economy-class passengers. With a new 777-style interior entering the world fleet this year on all three Boeing 767 models, passenger-comfort experts at Boeing expect travelers in future surveys to express an even stronger preference for the 767 over the A330.





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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 11:39 am

Fellow aviation enthusiasts, let's keep this thread clean.

I say congrats to Boeing, but were the different airlines taken into consideration? The best way to evaluate passenger preference of a pair of types is to go to an airline which uses both types for comparison. I believe SQ uses B777, B747, and A340, and US uses the B767 and A330- were any mentions made of these guys?
 
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 11:47 am

Um... right.

I looked at the survey on the Boeing website, but you will notice it was commissioned by Boeing and it was very one sided, very few of the airlines that participated in the survey actually had Airbus long-haul aircraft in their fleets. Show me a survey that's independent and then I'll believe it.

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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 11:52 am



It said 10 major airlines, it never said they were all-Boeing operators.
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 11:54 am

What's that URL, I'll take a look at the survey again because I know they mentioned the names of the airlines in there.
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 12:10 pm

I think if this is off a little, it still puts Boeing way ahead of Airbus in terms of comfort, ask any old passenger their favorite plane to ride on and they would proably say the 747 or 777.
 
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 12:20 pm

Ah, found it.

Looking at the PDF, I correct myself. It doesn't specifically state which airlines it chose for the survey. But the geographical bias is quite evident.

10 Airlines -
7 Asian-Pacific carriers
2 United States carriers
1 Latin American carrier

WHAT? NO EUROPEAN CARRIERS? Oh... that's right... a large amount of European airlines (save for BA) have Airbus long-haul aircraft... well it's total speculation but I mean no US airline (save US Airways which just got theirs) has Airbus long-haul aircraft, Aerolineas Argentinas is the only Airbus S. American carrier that has Airbus long-hauls, and a large percentage of Asian airlines do have mostly Boeing fleets (with the exception of the lovely Cathay Pacific)

So, have every airline that offers long-haul service no matter the manufacturer, from all around the world, in the survey, and then I'll take a look at it.
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 12:31 pm

We must also remember the largest factors in comfort are: seat pitch and food. Neither have to do with who makes the airplane. Why not spend that money trying to sell planes instead of conduction surveys that don't make any difference? Who is going to buy a plane because a Boeing conducted survey said pax like it better>
 
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Thu Jan 04, 2001 12:39 pm

Stop finding fault at the survey! Just like the US Presidency recount!! You just want to find fault with it!! Correct yourself again, it did not specify what airlines in terms of numbers were from which region. Read what Boeing 747-400 said. He is quite right. By the way, don't forget that the biggest European airlines, the biggest jet they operate are Boeing. BA-747-400, AF-747-400, Alitalia-747, Iberia-747, LH-747-400, SAS-767-300ER, KLM-747-400, etc...Yes they do operate A340's in IB's, AF's, and LH's cases, but Boeing jets are involved so yes they would be equal. Sorry to break it down to you like that, but you have to admit it.
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 12:40 pm

I agree with OH-LGA, when I see a completely third-party survey done. Most surveys have some connection to either Boeing or Airbus, and usually they show vastly different opinions, so I will take this with a few grains of salt, thank you.

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Thu Jan 04, 2001 12:46 pm


Do as you please. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. This is not to convince anyone, its just to serve as information.
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 1:05 pm

Yeah right what ever. There are about 40% of long haul aircraft that are not boeing aircrafts. How can more than 60% of people prefer Boeing for long-hauls? I think people in the survey don't know what they are talking about. 
 
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 1:48 pm

Lets not turn this into a A/B war...

I have seen both companies say (on their websites) that in a survey, a large nmber of passangers prefer Airbus/Boeing over Boeing/Airbus for a long haul flight. Don't believe everything a manufacturer tells you!!! There not there to provide you with a statistically correct as possible survey, they are there to sell their product over that of a competitor. We could argue till the cows come home about which survey is most accurate, but we'd be wasting our time. You'll never really know what aircraft is more comfortable till you try it yourself, and often some people will like something others dislike. Comfort is really a matter of opinion, not something that can be easily categorised and rated.
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 2:08 pm

It does say so, but you have to look at the bottom of the press release and click the little linky thingy that says "Survey Charts" (PDF format) http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2000/survey.pdf and look on the pages detailing the survey, you'll find I'm right and you're wrong 

Oh and let's see here, Iberia will be ordering A340 aircraft to replace their aging 747-200's and SAS has ordered A340's to replace their 767-300ER's. Sooo... *bang* *bang* two planes out of the sky.

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Thu Jan 04, 2001 2:25 pm


I am sorry to say that you do just sound like a little high school student that knows nothing of the business. Bang, bang?? Wow, I am sure Boeing is very worried that Iberia and SAS chose to replace their ageing aircraft with Airbus products. Let me say, Mr. Bang, that the Airbus A340 is a thing of the past in the airline's operational thinking. Why do you think airlines in the US don't want to operate them? Answer is 4 engines. Why operate a 4-engined a/c, when you can operate a very economical 777-twin? I am not turning it into A/B war, but let me say that you are comical and yes, I would guess you are in high school, you sound a lot like one. You seem to be stubborn and didn't read what I had said, which was that the major European airlines operate Boeing jets in their long-hauls, so the fact of the matter is that if European airlines were to be named in the survey, it would have been equally. No one was discriminated. Remember, the Boeing 747 Classic is not out of the picture yet!
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 2:32 pm

Although I like Boeings over Airbusses, I must admit that Boeing did fund this project, and that how do you know what the actual results are? You dont! Boeing may have chenged them. For all we know, they are lying to us.

If Airbus was to do a survey, just like this one, and Boeing's product would turn out better, then I would believe the results. If some neutral company, or a company that operates both the 777 and A340 were to conduct a survey like this, and publish the results...that would be more acurate.

Well said Kai.
 
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 2:35 pm

Yea,

I was just trying to inject a little humor into this conversation. I am known in real life as a peacemaker, in fact just this morning someone said to me "We love you Kai, you're always the peacemaker and stopping fights before they start" so this is what I'm trying to do now

I'm just showing what is happening. I never believe anything put out that is in favor of a company if it shows that said company is more popular. Equal would have been fine too. All I am trying to say is that I am a firm believer in independent surveys, and that's that. Also just taking selected markets and airlines within those markets do not really make all that much sense as you are leaving out valuable customer input.

Besides, most of the people who were surveyed probably don't know one from another. No harm done eh mate? (and no I'm not Australian )

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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 2:36 pm


I just posted this because I was browsing through the Boeing website. I never said it was accurate, etc...You are entitled to your opinion and if you have flown both Airbus and Boeing, which I have, you can compare for yourself. I prefer the 744 for Trans-Pac. flights over the A340. I have flown on JAL, Cathay, Qantas, and Air New Zealand on their 744's. I have flown also in Cathay's A340's from Toronto to Hong Kong, etc, and I prefer the 744. That is my opinion, the only way to find if this survey is viable, is if you pay the fare and fly on the aircraft yourself, period!!!
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Thu Jan 04, 2001 2:39 pm


I respect you for that. You seem to be a bright guy, that hopefully when you get out in the world and do something with aviation, you will bring great things to your company. How about if we just stop fighting, alright? I will be sure to put you in my most respected users list.
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 2:48 pm

Sounds good.

You were very professional in your posts as well, I will definately put you on my RU list.

Honestly though, I still have yet to fly either Airbus or Boeing products, I have flown McDonnell Douglas products exclusively over the Atlantic (DC-8, DC-10, MD-11) and have been pretty satisfied with them. This summer I should be flying a 747-400 to London and then A320 onto Finland. Odd my tastes didn't move to Boeing but to Airbus instead, I don't know, I always did like rooting for the underdog.

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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 2:54 pm


That's great, you should fly Boeing jets though, or give them a try. BTW I have been promoted to the 763!!!
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 4:44 pm

Hmmm.....

Reminds me of the 'March 2000' review of the Boeing product lineup CD-ROM I was sent by their marketing people last month.



HOWEVER, in the 767-400 section it produced a graph that basically said that the 767-400 was preferred by 80% to the A330 over the atlantic.

However, in the TEENY-TINY-SMALL-PRINT at the bottom it said the survey was done in 1996. Now, the 764 wasn't around in 96. In fact, hardly anyone was flying 330s accross the pond then - so naturally figures will be twisted.

Aircraft manufacturers don't lie; they just bend the truth - I would be very wary of anything from the Boeing or AI websites.

And also, why didn't they include Middle Eastern airlines in their survey - several, such as GF, KU, EgyptAir and EK operate both Boeing and Airbus types.

And as for the 767 v. 330 - IMHO the A330 wins. I think Boeing probably compared the Business class cabins with 2-2-2 in the 767 and 2-3-2 in the 330. This was probably deliberate. However, noone I know of apart from EK operates the 330 like this - most operate it with 2-2-2. From experience in GF's 767s and 330s, biz on the 330 wins hands down.
 
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 5:05 pm

Just thought I should mention this: Asian people prefer the Boeings because Boeings (especially the 747) have been the domain of air travel for quite a long time. Asian people think that Airbus airliners are not up to par and that they crash frequently when they have never even been on an Airbus. It is human nature to tend to stay inside a little comfort zone and attack anything that goes against it and not try something new. But this is changing.

I have a friend (non-aviation enthusiast) who just came back from a trip and thought the A340 was better than the 747 by miles. I won't comment on this, but the A340's comfort is undeniable. I was also a diehard 747 fan before but was quickly won-over by the comfort, efficiency and delicacy of the Airbus.

Further more, the comfort of an airliner from a passengers point of view has a lot to do with seat size and pitch, which very much depends on the airline seat arrangement, not the aircraft or manufacturer.

Lastly the survey was on a Boeing wesbsite, and is bound to be bias against Airbus.
 
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 5:36 pm

It looks like Europe choose Airbus and the US Boeing, we are very protective. The rest of the world choose both Airbus and Boeing.......

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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 5:40 pm

On the boeing website of course they say there plane is prefered. In Airbus adds on the TV and in magazines I then see the opposite in favour of Airbus.

Nothing surprising is it?

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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 5:47 pm

Much as I like Boeing products, I´d never trust statistics from their PR/Sales department without knowing the basic facts behind the survey (selection of participants in survey, when survey was conducted, how questions in survey were put, method used and so on). I think most other people of my profession feel the same, which I should think is why the survey never made the headlines anywhere but on Boeings own homepages.
This is not intended as any sort of Boeing bashing, the same would apply to similar surveys from Airbus, or indeed any manufacturer of goods in a free market.

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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 7:15 pm

Just to give this war some extra fuel, here's the other side:

Press release from AI in March 2000


A340 Surpasses The Competition In Traveler Preference
Survey
02 March 2000

Airbus Industrie’s A340 is preferred for its seating and engine
configuration by a five to one factor over its closest competitor, according
to a survey conducted by UK-based market research company MORI, in
January this year. The survey confirmed an overwhelming passenger
preference for the A340’s user-friendly seating features and exceptional
level of overall comfort.

When aircraft were identified by name, 69 per cent of all business
travelers surveyed stated that they would prefer to fly Business Class on
an A340 and, when flying Economy Class, 60 per cent of those surveyed
would also opt for the A340.

A wide sample of frequent flyers from North America, Europe and
Southeast Asia, all of whom take flights of over seven hours at least four
times a year, were polled for their preferences concerning seating and
the importance of the number of engines on long trans-ocean flights.
The survey, carried out during January, was commissioned by Airbus Industrie
but designed and implemented independently by the renowned British
firm MORI.

The results showed that 91 per cent of Business Class travelers prefer
seats between aisles to be doubles rather than triples, with only 3 per
cent wanting a center seat. The A340’s comfortable 2-2-2-seat standard
configuration for Business Class thus fully gratifies the vast majority of
passengers who dislike the middle-seat provided by its direct competitor.
76 per cent of regular travelers in Economy class favored four-abreast
seats between aisles - a feature of the A340 - in comparison with its
direct competitor’s more cramped five-abreast (preferred by only 6 per
cent). Indeed, passengers naturally reject seating arrangements which
trap them between fellow travelers and considerably hamper their access
to an aisle.

The results of the MORI survey correlate closely with those of two earlier
surveys conducted in 1999, by the International Air Transport Association
(IATA) and the UK market research company, ‘arnold and bolingbroke’,
respectively, both of which showed that passengers strongly prefer the
comfort-oriented seating configuration of the A340.

Airbus Senior Vice President Commercial, John Leahy, commented on
MORI’s further confirmation of these preferences, saying, “You cannot
ignore such consistent findings. Business Class travelers are getting
more knowledgeable and demanding, and do not want to spend long
travel times stuck in a seat between two other passengers. It’s an
inconvenience and an invasion of their personal space.”

The MORI survey also revealed that, of those who expressed an opinion
for long haul intercontinental flights, four-engine aircraft were preferred
by an overwhelming majority.

In this respect John Leahy added, “This is an important issue for many
travelers. With the increased range of future airliners and the demand
for direct routes between North America and Asia for example, aircraft
have to fly for many hours over remote areas like Siberia or the Polar
regions. In a four-engine aircraft, passengers can avoid longer
twin-engine routings and potential delays.”

The first all-new long haul aircraft to enter service in more than two
decades, the A340 – as confirmed by the survey - features exceptional
passenger comfort and ideal seating arrangements, as do all the
A330/340 Family aircraft since they share the same optimum fuselage
cross-section.

This overwhelming passenger preference is directly echoed in terms of
market share. To date, the A330/A340 Family has sold 557 aircraft to 54
customers – over 100 more orders and 80 per cent more customers than
the 777 program. During 1999 alone, 68 A330/A340s were sold,
achieving a 75 per cent market share as compared to the 777 program.
Continuing to prove its success, the A330/A340 family have already
gained 32 further commitments in the first two months of this year.


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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Thu Jan 04, 2001 7:41 pm

Pl. remember that Boeing has the 747 which has been flying flying for years before Airbus had any competitor on the horizon. Most people have usually flown in a 747. Its only in the recent past, that Airbus has risen to become a serious threat.

I personally prefer the Airbus layout of 2-4-2 in Economy.
 
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Fri Jan 05, 2001 12:29 am

Well, most of the people don't prefer one manufacturer over another (and have no idea what aircraft they fly on) but either room (and so 747/777 over 340 and 330 over 767) or less cramped layouts (and so 340 over 747/777 and 767 over 330). I never tried Airbus widebody but I liked 767 cabin better than 777 (despite great 777 interior; I was on BA ClubWorld 767 and UA economy 777 though ) In the same time, probably unlike most people here, I prefer 737 over 320 because I don't care about 6 or 7 inches of the extra width but 737 cabin is less circular so doesn't feel like a tube. So it is very, very subjective...
 
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RE: Conclusion

Fri Jan 05, 2001 5:35 am

This old survey pops up every other month on this forum. Every time it divides the contributors in three groups.:
1. Believers
2. Non-believers
3. Sceptical people

Some of the sceptical people start analyzing the survey and they immediately find that it lacks almost all essential information which might make it judgeable by educated people.

It might be funny to make another survey:
1. How many percent of the surveyed passengers had to ask which type of plane they were on?
2. How many percent knew which plane they flew on before?

We should put this crappy survey to rest where it belongs, and then enjoy our long haul flights with airlines which care for their pax with comfortable seats and seating arrangements on good planes from A or B. And bitch over airlines which don't understand that it can be hell to spend ten hours inside a poorly arranged alluminium tube, and it doesn't make any difference if that tube was folded in Seattle or Toulouse.

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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Fri Jan 05, 2001 5:49 am

I believe that in either survey, most of the people perhaps had little or no idea of what the aircraft they were flying on was.
My dad, who is a frequent business traveller, pays little attention to the aircraft type. In fact, he wasn't even certain if the aircraft he flew on last was an A320 or a DC-10! (He flew NWA)
I believe that the evidence provided in the surveys is inadequate to provide a proper showing of who prefers what a/c.
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Fri Jan 05, 2001 7:31 am

We only need to know the fact that Boeing commissioned the survey to make it irrelevant.

An independant study by an International organisation would be more realistic, but remember results will always be skewed by how the different airlines configure their aircraft..

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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Fri Jan 05, 2001 9:48 am

Would an Airliners.net poll on the exact same subject be counted as independant?

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/polls/index.main?id=13

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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Fri Jan 05, 2001 10:41 am

How many people in the US knows what's 340? I have many neighbor people who are almost ignorant about aviation, naturally don't know 340, but all of them know what's 747. Oh fantastic!!

Meanwhile, you can find surprisingly many Japanese know 777. Mostly because ANA writes big '777-300' on their fuselages, not 'All Nippon Airways'.
 
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Fri Jan 05, 2001 11:16 am

Pacific wrote:
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Would an Airliners.net poll on the exact same subject be counted as independant?
Pacific
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Dear Pacific,
Huh, "independant"?
You can draw your own conclusions. You can seek further background information, where available.
The Airliners.net poll is for instance considerably better than the Boeing survey because a demographics of the possible responders is available. It gives you valueable additional information, for instance that 55% of the possible responders live in one of this planet's roughly 200 countries, and that country has about 4 or 5% of the total population.
Very important is also if citizens of that country (and to a minor extent other countries) have a representatively avarage opportunity to fly on both planes. That's not readily available, but it is information which both you and I might be able to obtain from various sources.
Etc. etc.
So the easy answer to your question is: "Yes" and "No". Which of course is no answer.
Statistics is a science. I used to leave it up to the politicians to draw fast and uneducated conclusions, they are usually experts in that field.
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Fri Jan 05, 2001 11:21 am

I prefer Boeing too, but the Airbus is also very nice
 
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Fri Jan 05, 2001 7:35 pm

Just taking a little look in the Airbus survey, I can guess what one of the questions was:

"Do you prefer the Airbus A340's comfortable 4-abreast seating, or the B777s five abreast?

BTW: A lot of 777s are now configured to have the seating 3-3-3, not 2-5-2.

BTW2: I hate both surveys, and I agree that a more independent one would be better.
 
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RE: Passengers Prefer Boeing For Long Hauls

Fri Jan 05, 2001 8:27 pm

I think there has been no independent survey, because, really, who cares? There is not all that much difference that Joe Schmo is going to notice anyway. Most people have absolutely no clue what type of aircraft they are on. To them, every plane with propellers is a DC-3, and every small single engine airplane is a Piper Cub.

It is interesting that two of the world's largest carriers UA and BA have gone to Airbus for narrowbody, but have stayed loyal Boeing for widebody aircraft.

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P.S. Maybe I'll commission a study, so we wont have to put up with these Boeing vs. Airbus posts anymore. Like the Energizer Bunny, they keep going and going and going and going.......

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