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SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 2:37 am

SAS have ordered 4 A330 and 6 A340 to replace the fleet of 767´s  . However, there is 14 767´s to replace and SAS have said that they´re going to expand to new longrange destinations like Washington D.C and Shanghai. Will SAS keep a few of the 767 (I read that they´re introducing a new seatinglayout for 6 of them), or will they use the options they have for an additional 7 aircraft? What do you think?

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WorldTraveller
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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 2:57 am

http://www.sasflightops.com (a great site BTW) says that all B767 will eventually be phased out.

Like you, I wonder if 10 A340/A330 are sufficient to replace 14 B767's...

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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 3:01 am

First of all i want to know who designed their new livery, its so stylish, by far the best in Europe, like a designer livery sort of retro too, Secondly will they ever resume service to Karachi considering a large number of Pakistanis live in Sweden,Denmark and Norway, so many infact that PIA flies to Oslo something i never ever imagined would be possible, so shouldnt SK operate here from atleast one Scandinavian city Stockholm perhaps , it would be great to have them back here , more so with their great new look 
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Desmidus
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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 3:03 am

I personally hope they phase out the 767s quickly. I fly SAS on the Seattle-Copenhagen route and I'd much rather do it in a 340.
 
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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 3:07 am

Check out http://www.scandinavian.net/company/newsfacts/press/latesteng.asp for information about the new seating layout in the some of the 767´s.

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kaitak
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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 3:14 am

Firstly, let me add my voice to the praise for SAS; it has a superb new livery and with LAN, CAL and SAS getting A340s, there will be some extremely attractive A340s flying around, just begging to be photographed. (That aside, it's my favourite European airline by a considerable distance).

I think there are two factors to consider.
Firstly, a small number of 767s are used for relatively short routes - too big for MD80s, such as LHR. The A321 will probably do away with the need for larger aircraft on shorter routes (although I'd sure like to see an A330 at LHR!)

Secondly, the airline might well be waiting around to see what comes up. It might be interested in A330-200s and A340-500s in due course, so if and when (it's more when than if!) if comes to exercise options, it will probably take in another type.

Good luck to them and I can't wait to fly with SAS sometime next year! Any chance of A330/340s being used on short haul routes within Scandinavia (eg for crew certification?)
 
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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 5:16 am

Does anyone know when the first A330/340 is scheduled for delivery to SAS?
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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 5:22 am

SK hasn`t made an engine decision for their A333s, have they?
My guess is that they`ll get PW4000.

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Zander
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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 5:38 am

I think the first A340 arrives to CPH in May.
Guess if I am at the airport that day ; )

It will take time before all 767s are replaced and I think SAS will use them more and more on european destinations such as London, Paris, Frankfurt after the A330/340 introduction.

To Airmale,
Yes you're right about there are a lot of Pakistanis living in Scandinavia and especially in Copenhagen.
PIA operates flights to Oslo and Copenhagen but not to Stockholm. They fly to CPH about 3-4 times a week!!!! with A310 and 747-200/300. So it's strange that SAS hasn't started a route to Karachi, the Pakistanis like PIA more maybe??
 
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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 8:08 pm

Zander SAS used to fly to Karachi right upto 1986 from Copenhagen, i myself flew on their DC-10s from Karachi to Singapore in 1978, does anyone know what a/c were they operating to KHI just before they quit and what was the routing? the service in '78 was from Karachi-Bangkok-Singapore dont know if it continued further onto Manila which was also served by SK at the time, i also wonder why they dont fly to Iran considering the number of destinations Iran Air fly to in Scandinavia one would expect SAS to share part of the traffic from there 
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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 8:23 pm

The first A340 will be delivered in July this year and first service will be CPH-DEL-CPH from August 10. In February or Mars 2002 a new A330 will take over that service. Everything according to http://www.sasflightops.com

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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 8:25 pm

To answer the first question - SAS has options for 7 additional A330/A340s.

The delivery dates for the 'buses are now on the SAS flight ops homepage. Check out "Airbus - Delivery" ..

 
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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 10:45 pm

Hi Zander and Airmale

It's not strange that SAS don't have a route to Pakistan. The market between Scandinavia and Pakistan is almost 100% a low-yield market. Most of the people travelling to Pakistan from Scandinavia are Pakistanis going on holiday to visit family/friends. On the other side this means that it's a sector with very few business class travellers. For an Airline like SAS it's not possible to earn money on a longrange route without businessmen. Why? The reason is that SAS have a much higher level of costs then airlines like PIA and Iran Air. To break even on a route it's therefore necessary for SAS to have a high cabin factor in business class.

Seen in the light of this I don't expect there will ever be a SAS service to Pakistan again...

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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 11:10 pm

When are SAS leasing (?) the A330 from BD?
 
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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 11:26 pm

Englandair - From May when the new CPH-IAD service starts.

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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sat Jan 13, 2001 11:32 pm

I had also flown SAS and Air India DEL-CPH a few times but is AI still flying the route or have they pulled out due to low yield like PIA?
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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Sun Jan 14, 2001 1:59 am

No - Air India don't fly DEL-CPH.

BTW VirginA340 according to your post it seems like PIA have pulled out of CPH - this is not the case! They fly 2 times a week with 747-300 (continues to Birmingham) and 1 times a week with A310 (continues to Oslo).

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RE: SAS New Longrange Fleet

Wed Jan 17, 2001 10:27 am

Air India HAS NEVER FLOWN the DEL-CPH route on their own metal.

They have codeshared on SK metal for as long as I can remember though.

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