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AirTran Disaster?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 8:15 am

Last year, or so it seems AirTran had trouble with many of its aircraft. What are the odds that an AirTran jet (godforbid) goes down this year or has a major incident? and what is there safety record?
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RE: AirTran Disaster?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 8:21 am

The FAA site says that Air Tran has the highest US crash rate of any airline. But, the FAA is keeping a close on on them, ever since Valujet went down, anyway. Another crash, I HIGHLY doubt it!

RE: AirTran Disaster?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 8:21 am

Get off it. FL is no more likely to go down then any other major airline. They are safe, or they wouldn't be flying. See "Pro Air" for an example.

RE: AirTran Disaster?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 8:23 am

They have a good record, and they don't have that many incidents, its just that CNN always reports them, and not other airlines like Delta or AA. The reasons are:

#1: Their preferred carrier is DL, not FL. And I would bet that they would like to please Delta as they fly a lot.

#2: They want people to think that "The airline formerly known as ValuJet" still isn't safe.

AirTran is safe. They have gotten the top award by the FAA for all of their maintenance bases 5 years in a row. They were applauded by the FAA because the instructions to inspect the jackscrews on the M80/DC9/717 after the AK incident earlier in 2000 were not clear enough, so they made a new set of instructions, and it was approved by Boeing and the FAA.

RE: Sesgdl

Sun Jan 14, 2001 8:27 am

The reason why they have the bad crash record is that they don't offer as many flights as the majors, but had one crash(ValuJet 592) in their short history. Since they have had less than 100,000 flights since they started, they would have a very high record. The big majors have around 1,000,000 flights a year, so you can see why it is distorted.
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RE: AirTran Disaster?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 8:37 am

I would board an AirTran flight any day of the week with a pleasurable flight uppermost in my mind.
Frankly, I worry more about an ATC or pilot f*** up than the plane disintegrating in mid-air.
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RE: AirTran Disaster?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 8:47 am

AirTran IS the nation's most unsafe airline and in my opinion, should be shut down for good. I had to fly
them from MEM to LGA via ATL due to a DL flight I
had booked was cancelled. The MEM-ATL flight on
a DC9-30 was disgusting. The plane was filthy and
obviously neglected. I flew on a 717 from ATL to
LGA which was new, yes, but other than that, I
was not impressed at the delay due to "mechanic"
problems that were never fully disclosed by the
pilot other than "we always have your safety in
mind" or something to that effect. The original
Valujet was created thanks to Wall Street greed.

AirTran is unsafe, badly run, and I would NEVER
EVER AGAIN fly them. AirTran SUCKS.

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RE: AirTran Disaster?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 10:03 am

There seems to be a post regarding AirTran's safety. Give them a break! It's like every minor incidents that happens at AirTran makes the headlines.
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RE: AirTran Disaster?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 5:40 pm

You may be missing the point here. The word "safe" is very questionable at the FAA. We all know 592 wasn't a direct result of maintence and aging, but we all know one of the planes would go down sooner or later. Flying 35 year old DC-9s with a poor maintence history will bite you in the @$$. It is impossible to repair all of the deficiencies found in these planes from their operation by unregulated foreign carriers.

Clearly, the FAA lacks the oversight needed to adequately protect the safety of the public. A great source of information on the issue is available in the book "Flying Blind, Flying Safe" by former Inspector General of USDot Mary Schiavo. The FAA only sets minimum standards for safety. Most airlines exceed these voluntarily because they reconginze that they aren't sufficient, but airlines like Valujet and now AirTran will continue to test the regulations. The FAA eventually admitted after 592 that all airlines aren't created equally, but conform to minimum standards. That leads me to believe that there are serious deficiencies within AirTran, because planes don't just catch fire for no reasons. Engines don't fail for no reason. The equipment is old and cheap, making it only a matter of time before another needless crash occurs.

RE: AirTran Disaster?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 2:38 am

Since my post was deleted I'll say it again.

AirTran is cool, ContinentalEWR SUCKS!

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Mon Jan 15, 2001 4:31 am

ContinentalCLE/EWR stated:

<<EVER AGAIN fly them. AirTran SUCKS. >>>

ContinentalEWR/CLE, I'm sorry but you are a disgrace to this Forum. You post nothing good, and you are always dissing some airline that is good. You need to chill out, and calm down before you get into trouble.

G-SPOT, Thats the way to say it man!!!!!



RE: AirTran Disaster?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:02 am

I fly AirTran pretty often and I think they are awesome! The DC-9s are starting to scare me a little bit, but the 717s are very nice. It would be nice if AirTran would get TWA's 717s. That would help get the DC-9s out of there faster.

ContinentalEWR, I do respect your opinion although, just because you didn't enjoy your flights, does not mean that the airline "unsafe". I would agree that there service is not as good as some of the major airlines, but I remind you that AirTran is a small 'low-fare' airline.

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RE: AirTran Disaster?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:14 am

Knock it off already. Value Jet is DEAD!!!! AirTran is different, leave them alone!!!!

RE: AirTran Disaster?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:46 am

Roberson- I'm hoping I just didn't understand you, but it sounds like you were trying to make this into an attack on DC-9s. If 35-year old D9Ss are guaranteed to crash, why does the FAA allow them to fly? Why haven't NW planes been falling out of the sky lately? True, NW takes much better care of its D9Ss than FL does, but I believe my point is made.
I agree that the FAA needs to keep a particularly sharp eye on FL, as its planes do have a habit of unexplainable fires and engine failures. I don't think, however, that the media needs to treat FL like the redheaded stepchild. CNN beats on them for obvious reasons- they get good rates on DL, and want to keep it that way. Turn off CNN and watch Fox News Channel for a few hours. I guarantee you won't hear a thing about the "terrible" maintenance procedures at AirTran. This is one of the main reasons I try to avoid CNN. Much as I hate AirTran, they have done nothing to deserve having the biggest news organization in the world playing bully to keep their special treatment on DL around. What better way to make your airline happy than reporting on every little flaw their main competitor at their home port has?

My apoligies if I sound a bit short, but all of these recent posts about FL being next in line to fall from the sky have gotten on my nerves. I personally refuse to fly FL due to past travel problems, but come on! Don't go parading around saying that AirTran will crash unless you can back it up!
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RE: AirTran Disaster?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 4:45 pm

Let me clarify my recent tirade. I have nothing against the DC-9. It is an excellent airplane that has provided years of quality service and safe transport of passengers. I would feel just as safe flying on a DC-9 as any other jet provided that it was with an airline like Northwest and had been overhauled to standards exceeding those set by the U.S. government and manufacturer. With all of the attention AirTran has received, I am sure maintence has improved to an acceptable level. However, the fact of the matter remains that these planes spent the majority of their lifetimes under the control of foreign airlines and cheap maintenence at Valujet. I simply feel that it is in the best interests of safety and economics to either remove these aircraft from the fleet or completely overhaul critical systems and components such as unsafe, aging wiring that starts fires. The lives of components in aircraft can only last so long before they will fail. I think that AirTran is beginning to head in the right direction with the 717, but I will still refuse to fly them until these aircraft are either replaced or overhauled (ie. no FAA-unapproved or bogus Turkish parts, engines, etc.). The bottom line is that AirTran is improving, but there is still a lot of room to do better. This is just my personal opinion and I do not intend to engage in personal attacks on anyone because of the way they feel on this heated issue. I am only communicating what I believe in an attempt to put a reveal one side of an extremely complicated issue.

By the way, the news I believe comes from unbiased sources instead of CNN or Fox. It is to be expected that news agencies will appeal to emotion regarding the airlines, making them a poor resource compared to the power of multiple reliable Internet sources.
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RE: AirTran Disaster?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 5:35 pm

I was very surprised to hear that my family had flown to Hawai on Airtran- Have they always flown to these long destinations even as Valuejet? I am glad that CNN keeps on top of problems with any airline- the consumer can decide who he/she will trust with their lives. If you aren't hearing about constant problems with other airlines maybe it is because there isen't much to report, usually conspiracy theories arise when logic takes the back seat to loyalty.
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RE: AirTran Disaster?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:23 pm

Air tran doesnt fly to Hawaii, they were probably talking about American Trans Air (ATA).
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RE: AirTran Disaster?

Tue Jan 16, 2001 4:50 am

Roberson, alot of FL's DC-9s are not "turkey birds" the majority of them were one owner aircraft (delta) a few came from alatila and british midland even iberia and KLM
N801AT-828AT were one owner Delta birds for the most part (a few aircraft changed hands between delta and J7/FL) 6 a/c came from THY one came from Swissair 2 from KLM 2 from british midland and 2 from Iberia just wanted to make sure everyone was straight on the origians
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RE: AirTran Disaster?

Tue Jan 16, 2001 1:41 pm

Well, it's good to know that reputable carriers owned at least some of the DC-9s, but there are still quite a few with issues regarding their their orgins and maintenance. A problem with the fleet is that these aircraft come from different sources, fulfilled different roles in some fleets, and may have differing qualities of maintenance. Therefore, they are more difficult and costly to maintain.

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Tue Jan 16, 2001 2:37 pm

To the person who said ValueJet and AirTran are two different airlines, I would like to disagree. What is different besides the name and a few Chap 11 proceedings? With that said, I don't see why AirTran should be less safe than any other airline. With increased scrutiny they've obviously made major improvements to their maintenence operations or they wouldn't be flying. Stop worrying so much anyway.... if you don't want to fly AirTran - fine. Though in my opinion your more likely to die of food poisoning on United than a crash on AirTran.
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RE: AirTran Disaster?

Tue Jan 16, 2001 2:41 pm

Just flew FL again tonight.. Awsome flight... A/C 939.. very good shape apparently it was fresh outta LCQ for a heavy mx check because it had fresh paint on the leading edges of the wings, the cargo bins had fresh tape on the seams, and everything was well aged but perfectly clean.. very smooth flight.. Just looked up her history she started out with Iberia


Tue Jan 16, 2001 8:00 pm

Let's see, what's different? Maintenance. Management.
Attitude(More serious than funny).

But in other news, I saw AirTran's catering department at PHL yesterday. If you would like to see it, go behind gate D11, and take a look.

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