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Virgin Or BA First Class?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 11:56 am



I am going to fly from New York to Heathrow in May and I have to decide which airline I would like to fly, Virgin Atlantic or British Airways. I am flying first class and I would like to base my choice upon your suggestions, which should i take?
 
BostonBeau
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 12:34 pm

Virgin Atlantic does not actually have "first class". Their Upper Class is comparable to first class on other airlines, but is sold at the business class fare.
 
Desmidus
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 12:36 pm

I would suggest you take Virgin, for the above reason.
 
HB-IWC
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 12:45 pm

As an ATL-based DL-pilot, why don't you fly your own company? Or do you guys have deals with VS and BA to fly on a pass (ID95 or whatever)?
 
zsx81
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 12:57 pm

VA all the way
ali
 
ake0404ar
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 1:18 pm

Most of the airlines have interline agreements and therefore he would be able to fly on an ID90 on VS or BA....as standby though.......that's how it used to be at least......I would go VS, just for the top notch service they provide, and the F/A are better looking.......and not to forget about the inflight beauty therapist.........
 
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 1:36 pm

I have not experienced either airline in their premium class, but I would probably go with British Airways. I know that Upper Class is supposed to be amazing, but I know people who have flown BA First and say it is really amazing. It IS First Class. Plus you have a "real" bed unlike Virgin's seats (yes they are installing bed like seats on their fleet now but I'm assuming that BA's seats are better. I just think that the whole experience would be better on BA just because of the cost difference. I have flown on Business/FIrst class conbinations on a few airlines and yes most of them have good service, they all seem to have good food, great seats, lounge access, etc. But have felt more like a number than a passenger because of the number of C class passengers (30-40). On BA you know they'll only be 14 of you total. Just my opinion, again I have yet to fly them (but I hope to someday soon 

-wes
 
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 6:05 pm

I have flown on both many times and if you have the choice of flying BA F or VS J then obviously go BA F. If it is between BA J and VS J, then take VS (except on MIA, MCO and Caribbean routes).

BA has the best (or second best if you compare with SQ) private cabins in the air.

Still, Virgin's Clubhouse at LHR has to be seen to be believed!!  

Have a great trip!
 
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 7:29 pm

I ditto Cally's comments above, I recently flew to Cape Town on First, and it is excellent in every respect.

If you want to catch some sleep on the flight, BA; if you don't intend to go to sleep, and hate sitting down, VS.
 
krisair747
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 5:03 am

Virgin Atlantic's over EXPIERENCE is much better than dull BA!
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teahan
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 5:13 am

Hey Delta763pilot,

I am not sure if you were really a DL pilot, you would have found out if you really had a Interline Agreement with BA or VS in F/J Class without making such a stupid post. I can confirm that you do not have an ID90/ID 95 in F or J with either airlines. You have an agreement in Y . You might be lucky and be upgraded if Y is full. On BA that would be to J or Premium Economy while on VS it would be to Premium Economy.

Ceilidh, I don't think he could base his choice on the lounges since non revs can't use the lounge even with a F or C ticket.

DeltaB763pilot, if you really are a Delta Pilot or even a Delta Employee at all, you should use one of your 18 free international flying days. You have quite a good chance of being upgraded to Business Elite.

Kind Regards,
Jeremiah Teahan
Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
 
VirginLover
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 5:21 am

VS! 
 
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 5:26 am

Teahan whenever I've travelled VS on an ID00 ticket in J, I've always had access to their lounge. With BA, on the other hand - and even with my Gold Executive Club Card - I can't access the F class lounges (or the Arrivals lounges) , even though I have sufficient clout to get an IDOO ticket in F.

To me, this means that VS shows its guests (for that is what we are) far more courtesy than BA!
 
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 5:44 am

Why couldn't my post about First Class be like this one!????

Anyway, I prefer VS. I haven't flown it but the pics look nice. The seats are wider with leather, the woman in the ad is nice and they have a bar.
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teahan
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:14 am

Hey Ceilidh,

Really? Most airline have a policy that non revs are not allowed in lounges. I am sure all the US Airlines, AF and SR employees can't access lounges.

There is no point even trying. I heard about employees who got warnings (several of them can lead to losing your non rev benefits) for using the lounge.

KInd Regards,
Jeremiah Teahan



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DeltaSFO
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 7:35 am

Well, Ceilidh is quite obviously lying. Lounge access is one of the biggest no-nos of nonrevving.

And at every airline I know of, issuing id00s is grounds for dismissal. Oh, but Ceilidh has "a lot of clout."

What an egomaniac. And a big fat liar.

DeltaSFO
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 7:42 am

I can confirm that Ceilidh is right about lounge access.

VS will allow you in the Clubhouse if you are travelling on a duty ticket. BA will not. Although I have had luck getting in outside of London.

SQ, NZ, EK, LA, RG, SA, NH, etc, all allow duty travel in the lounge. Although we are non rev. Sorry let me clarify, you have to be at least holding a business class seat.
 
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 7:53 am

Please clarify the term "duty ticket."

A business pass? Is that what you mean to say?

DeltaSFO
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teahan
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 7:55 am

I stand corrected about Non Rev lounge access. I allways talk about leisure travel and no about duty travel.

DeltaSFO, what are you saying about ID00s. Most airlines offer their employees a certain ammount of ID00s an year (DL obviously does not because you have unlimited free domestic tickets, 18 days of free international travel etc.............) A certain Swiss airline offers there employees 2 ID00s an year. You just must pay the catering charges + taxes. A Switzerland to the US flight turns out to about 225 Swiss Francs (used to be 215 but taxes went up I think).

Why do you have to start the Caledonian Wings fight on this forum? Most of us allready know how you feel about Ceilidh and his airline. I do not share your opinion.

Kind Regads,
Jeremiah Teahan
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DeltaSFO
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 7:59 am

I'm talking about to non-employees, not to employees of the carrier. I don't see how somebody who does not work for a carrier with an interline pass agreement with VS or BA can get any kind of pass, let alone an id00. It's got nothing to do with who it is, it has to do with the content of what's being said. I have no sympathy for chronic liars, as you can obviously tell. It does not matter who they are.

Also, it's 18 transoceanic flight days for Delta employees. Within North and South America it's also free and unlimited.

DeltaSFO
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teahan
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:02 am

Hey DeltaSFO,

Ah ok I stand corrected about the transoceanic flight days. I had some great experiences non reving on DL under the SR & DL Atlantic Excellence Agreement  . I definitely miss that  .

KInd Regads,
Jeremiah Teahan
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DeltaSFO
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:05 am

Oh, for sure.... I think Delta has excellent inflight service on international flights. Domestic inflight service can be somewhat lacking, but that is true of all US carriers.

You work for SR?

DeltaSFO
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:22 am

British Airways.....the choice is obvious and simple.
 
klik
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:43 am

If you're going for privacy, I'd choose BA, as they have the almost-private cabin going. Also, you get a completely flat 6ft 6ins bed, and they even give you a sleeping suit (I think VS give you the same). BA has fantastic service; I've always found their stewardesses to be VERY professional, though, I do agree with someone who previously mentioned that VS have very good looking cabin crew, especially compared to BA.

BA's Terrace lounges are quite fantastic, too. The new First cabin feel in BA is quite luxurious, using materials like Connolly leather, walnut wood, velvet and cashmere fabrics, and I think by May, this will be available on the LHR-JFK route.

VS, on the other hand, has a more modern and sleek cabin look, and a more typical seat layout with 2-2-2 seating. Sure, you can have a drink at the bar, or a facial as your flying, but for what??? Do you really feel like having a makeover on a flight, or meeting some grogeous lady at the bar, only to retire to your seat later on??

The choice is yours!

Cheers,

klik
 
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Tue Jan 16, 2001 8:40 am

DeltaSFO,

Sorry for the late response. Duty travel is the English coined "traveling on business on behalf of the airline." This can go for employees of the airline or consultants traveling on behalf of the airlines (which is what I do on a weekly basis). Sometimes it is must ride sometimes sub load, it just depends on the airlines. SQ and SR are the best for duty travel as they decrement inventory of certain pass classes. Others not so great. Most time they let you in the lounges, especially overseas airlines.

Back to the topic, I like VS since they have the stand up bar and the massage. The CLubhouse in LHR is great; haircuts, massage, music rooms, putting greens. Also the arrival lounge is truly unique. Although BA is very good as well. VS is cheaper than BA for a relatively similar product (seat).

 
Guest

RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Tue Jan 16, 2001 11:29 am


Actually, its my wife who wants to buy two tickets for us and she wants us to fly either one, BA or VS. She wants a change and eventhough we can fly for free on our own Business Elite, she inists that she would like to fly on an international carrier. Sorry for the misunderstanding but I just wanted some feedback. I appreciated all coments, even the one's that were negative about my occupation, which really boggles my mind from my statement about which airline I should fly, ridiculous!! But thanks to all.
 
Guest

RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Tue Jan 16, 2001 5:37 pm

Actually, I used to be CEO of an airline that was a member of the IATA MITA (Multilateral Interline Traffic Agreement); plus we used Speedwing and Sabre for consultancy and provision of various management services.

Grow up, DeltaSFO - I've told you many times about checking your facts before sticking your foot in your mouth (yet again). Sheesh, this guy is almost as bad as F_boot!!

Delta763pilot - why don't you do it so you go US-UK on BA in F (it's a night flight so you'll want to sleep anyway); and come back on VS (so you can fully experience the delights of Upper Class)?
 
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Tue Jan 16, 2001 11:59 pm

Delta763pilot


Is there any chance that you flew from Munich to Atlanta yesterday, the 15 of January?

TB
 
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TB

Wed Jan 17, 2001 12:30 am


No, I am sorry, I don't fly international routes yet. I did fly yesterday from SLC-ATL, that was the last leg of my trip.
 
HB-IWC
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Delta763pilot!

Wed Jan 17, 2001 1:11 am

So you are not an international Delta 763 pilot?!!

May I remind you your post of only 3 days ago, titled AA777@MAD?, in which you stated that, whilst taxying in MAD for departure to ATL, you saw an AA B777 landing at 36L...

I don't want to accuse you about anything here, but I would really appreciate your comments.

Hope to read it real soon here!!!
 
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RE: Virgin Or BA First Class?

Wed Jan 17, 2001 1:24 am

I think some of us are straying of the subject.

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