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Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 1:42 pm

Being a pilot of the Boeing 777-200IGW (UAL), I know that I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT. It is the best plane I've ever had the pleasure of flying.

I wanted to know what you, the passenger thought of it, and why you do or don't? If not, what competing aircraft do you prefer?

(I know this came up a while ago with the 767 - sorry).

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 1:47 pm

Hello there,

I noticed you joined the forums about 15 minutes ago. I would like to welcome you here and say hi. I love the 777, especially in UAL's colors. I am a student pilot right now and I plan to fly for United soon. UAL is my favorite airline, so I'm glad to meet you. UAL's 777s are the most comfortable 777s on earth, I think. I like the 744 better in UAL's colors, but the 777 is great. So, how does she fly?

Best Regards,

B744
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 1:47 pm

Hello...

Just a quick question...

What was the nose # of the last 777 you flew? Was it an international or domestic ship? ER or regular? What is the nose # of the most infamous 777 in the UA fleet?

At Delta, all 7 of our 777s are international ER w/ RR engines. Wonderful aircraft, simply the finest thing flying. Ship 7004 is my favorite.

Thanks,
DeltaSFO
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 2:24 pm

I think the 777 is the holy grail of all airliners. My goal someday is to be a 777 pilot for United Airlines. Hey, best plane, best airline, how can you ever top that?
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 2:28 pm

Hi guys,

*DeltaSFO - The last 777 I flew was on a trip (got back Jan. 12, 2001) from Washington to London (although I am live in Denver, I am based in Washington). The nose # was 2074 ETOPS. The reg. was N774UA. It was an ER version aircraft. And it was an Internatinoal. HAHAHA.... I'm guessing you mean the UAL aircraft (first one) that made the speed record??? You know...7,850 miles from Bangkok to Seattle in 13 hours 36 mins. on June 7, 1995. Nose #???? That would be 2071. N777UA.

I have seen some pictures of N7004... it is a beautiful aircraft, and I can't understand why Delta can't find a livery that looks good on it... (please don't take any offense to that... ) I take it you are a fellow pilot???
If so what aircraft do you fly??? What was its nose#?
When did you last fly? What was the planes reg???

*Boeing747-400 - Your kind words about UAL are very nice to hear. And I sure hope that I can share the cockpit with you some day. Good luck with your future, and I hope to talk to you a lot in these new forums (new to me....). I appreciate your warm welcome.  
AND SHE FLIES GREAT! 

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 2:30 pm

By the way Boeing747-400, how could you tell that I just joined the forums 15 mins. ago??? (Sorry I'm new).

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 2:32 pm

Click on usernames. You'll see all the info- # of posts, name, personal info as well as email.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 2:35 pm

Okay, UAL_777_FO, sounds like you really are a UAL pilot... we get a lot of fakes here.

I'm not a Delta pilot, not yet anyway, but I do work for DL, and kinda grew up in the environment, if ya know what I mean. I don't think there's any office in the world better than the flight deck of a B777, and I plan on working there someday.

Last 777 I flew on was N865DA, Ship 7006, still in the old colors. I do think the 777 in the old colors looks absolutely stunning.... I will miss it. Although the new colors have finally grown on me. Ship 7004 is definitely a handsome piece of machinery.

When's the next time one of your trips will lead you to SFO?

DeltaSFO
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 2:39 pm

Thank you UAL_777_FO!

Just click on User Profile on your username and it will give you info, such as the number of posts you have typed and other stuff.

Best Regards,

B744
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 2:49 pm

Sorry DeltaSFO, but I seriously doubt I'll be heading to SFO anytime soon.   Why do you work there???
I was just in SFO which means I prob. won't be there for quite a while. But I can certainly tell you I liked how the new Intl. terminal in SFO turned out. Its very nice.

My next trip will actually take me to Frankfurt.

*KonaB777 - RIGHT ON! 777's forever...

Guys, could we get back to that question???
What flights have you been on lately?
Did you like it? Why or why not?

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 2:52 pm

UAL_777_FO,

It is good to see a UAL pilot on here. I was on one of the 777s the July before last, at the time, it was the newest one in UAs fleet according to the pilots, it was about a month old. There was only one analog piece of instrumentation on the whole thing, and that was the good old whiskey compass. I was fortunate enough to be in Biz class, and loved the ride. My fiance is an FA out of IAD, you may have even flown with her. She on on a 777 right now as a matter of fact, LHR bound (I am jealous). She showed me all of the climate controls and such. So modern, you can even control zones of the aircraft and everything. I am dying to get back in the air! If I had the same bennies on UA Express, I would spend a lot more time flying, but it is hard for me to get to DC or another UA mainline airport. But when we are married, I am sure I will end up on one of your flights!

Anyway, that was longwinded, all of it to say, welcome aboard, and I look forward to seeing more of your posts!
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 3:01 pm

CAETravlr - Thanks very much.

The aircraft is VERY modern, If you ARE ever on one of my flights - consider yourself welcome in the cockpit.

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 3:10 pm

UAL_777_FO,

Thanks a lot for that. I will definitely drop you an email the next time I am fortunate enough to be on a 777 out of IAD and see if you are working it.

Are you working an LHR line this month? My fiance is on international reserve this month, but this is the second LHR trip she has had.

As far as the FLY UAL at the bottom of your post, I will be doing it a lot when I get married!  
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 3:28 pm

Going back to the original topic...I flew a Cathay 777 and a 340, and I have to say I like the 340 more, as a passenger. It seemed quieter inside, and there's something psychologicaly soothing, to me at least, about having four engines instead of two.

But like you said, I've heard that the 777 is the favorite of the two for most pilots...might that change with the 500/600?
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 3:34 pm

Hi UAL_777_FO!

Welcome to the forum. It's nice to hear from the real pilots!

I've never had the privilege yet to fly on the Triple 7 but I intend to someday. It sounds and looks like a wonderful ride. It's huge! What is it like to fly it? How long have you been flying? I'm not a pilot but you are living my dream.

Back to the original question, my favorite aircraft is the 727 and the L 1011, I'm sure it's a big difference from the aircraft you fly, but from what I've learned and heard from others who have flown on the Triple7, I believe that is my next fav. It's a beauty!

Take care and stay safe!
Sierra
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 3:38 pm

I really don't understand why people feel safer with 4 engines. There is a slim chance that a failure will occur, and if one does, the pilots train for failures.

I have yet to fly on a 777, but I probably will this summer, IAH-CDG on AF/CO. From what I've heard about this a/c, it's the best. It looks fabulous. I especially like it in CO's colors. Their livery seems to be designed for the 777.

I've only flown UAL once (IAH-LAX-IAH over winter break). My flight was on an A319. It was an excellent flight. The A319 looks great in UAL colors.

 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 3:45 pm

The 777 is a true beauty. It is one of my favorite aircraft. I have flown on it 3 times and will be flying on it again this spring. I also like the A320 quite a bit.

A true beauty.

Kind regards.
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 3:46 pm

I like the A320 too, but the hydraulics on it are LOUD.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 3:48 pm

Yeah, the 'Big 7' really is a great jet. I actually had an engine failure about 7 months ago, and I diverted to Gander, in Canada. There were no probs. and we continued on after the engine was cleared. I don't really believe that 4 engines are safer, just more expensive.

*CAETravlr - No I just finished my last set of LHR - flights from IAD for this last month or two.

Its really nice to hear all your kind words....

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 3:54 pm

I have been lucky to fly several types of 777 around the world.

CO777 to and from NRT several times in the Front and EWR TLV EWR. Business First is very nice. I heard some early complaints with their GE engines. But seems to be worked out now.

BA777 from LHR-DXB, LGW-DFW. Again in the front. Huge J class cabin. Very good BA service.

EK777 LHR-DXB, BKK-DXB, DXB-SIN. All times in First of Business Class. Have to say fantastic service from the girls at Emirates. Although I am not crazy about the 2-3-2 config in J class. Seems a little cramped.

TG from BKK-DEL, BKK-TPE, TPE-SEL in J. Dreadful. 2-4-2 in business class. However, if you fly the Thai 777-300's they have 2-3-2 config. The seats are terrible, but got to love the TG F/A.

SG SIN-BKK 777-300 in First. Very nice, but not with the new seats. Still server Dom in First. So rare today.

CX from DXB-BOM, SEL-HKG. Cathay is fantastic. The 777-300 are absolutly massive. I understand it is longer than the 744. The power out of the engines is fantastic.

I must say it is my favorite airplane. One thing I never liked with Boeings is their windows tend to be quite small and set very low. The DC-10's have huge windows. The 777 is built with bigger windows for a much better view.

I have also notices that the 777's have very bright strobe lights. Seems to light up the whole sky.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 4:02 pm

My first 777 flight was on N774UA in June from ORD-DEN. I flew via DEN because I wanted to fly the 777. I will be flying on a 777 March 2nd ORD-LAX enroute to KOA.UAL 777#1.

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 4:06 pm

Hey United_Fan, N774UA was the last 777 I flew! Nose # is 2074 ETOPS!!!

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 4:27 pm

I flew on a United 737-500 from AUS-DEN. As always, it was a great flight, we got to DEN about 10 minutes early! The pilots were very nice in letting me sit in the cockpit after we landed and look around. UAL has the nicest FA's and Pilots, I plan to book a flight to JFK soon to go spot planes there for a while. UAL_777_FO,
I wish you luck in becoming a captain for the great plane. After that, you will probably become a captain or FO on the 747-400, which is also a fabulous plane.

Best and Kind Regards,

B744

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 4:38 pm

UAL_777_FO I haven't been to a 777 but I've been in a A340 (Olympic's   ) business class and in the cockpit during take off and landing.We were 100% of passengers and cargo and the aircraft seemed to perform very easily.I seem to like 777 the most but only from what I've read.So tell me why 777 is the best because both aircrafts have approximately the same size and capacity and A340 is doing well.Also can you explain me how a 2-engine aircraft took the ETOPS authority.Thanks.

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 4:41 pm

Hey UAL 777

I've only been on 1 777 round trip and it was on UAL LAX-LHR/LHR-LAX about a year ago. I honestly don't understand the hype of the 777. I'm sorry, but I don't. The flight was nice, on time, the plane was clean and comfortable. However I would have felt no difference if I was on a 747 or 767. The plane I flew on to LHR had PTVs but the map didn't work, I wasn't too happy about that. Going back from LHR it didn't even have PTVs! Oh well, I brought some good books, so all was ok.

Well, I actually might have to take back what I said about the plane. The seat was comfy as it was the first time I remember ever really sleeping for longer than an hour on a plane. I never sleep, but going back to LAX I was out for 6 hours or so, it was great! Going to LHR I was up the whole time.

I normally don't fly UA, however everyone else was booked when I wanted to go. I have no problem with UA but I just don't fly UA a lot. However living on the west coast its hard not to. So I have. I'm not a fan of UA trying to make LAX into a 'hub'. LAX isn't a hub and that is what is so great about it. I like it to be a diverse airport with low fares to many non stop destinations world wide.

Oh, and welcome UAL_777_FO

-J

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 5:06 pm


I LOVE THAT AIRPLANE !

I just got back from my first 777-200IGW roundtrip (AF to EZE) and it was great.
The 3-3-3 configuration as well as the PTVs and the nice overhead bins were really good.
Flight was beautiful and so was the interior of the aircraft. ...

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 5:27 pm

Welcome UAL_777_FO!!! I really like the 777 and as you can see in my userprofile, I have flown on a lot of 777 carriers. I have not flown on SU, MS, CA and PE 777s. Thanks for the invite to the cockpit!! You're not flying UA 52 on 19Jan, UA 932 on 21Jan or UA 937 on 28Jan by any chance?? The777Man
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 9:34 pm

Welcome to airliners.net!

Well, my connection with the airline business is mainly through creating advertising ideas (formerly LH, soon QF and BA) so I have no idea how it is to fly a 777 or any other aircraft. As a passenger I´ve only flown once on the Triple Seven (-200) and once on its competitor the A340-300 (LH). I have to say that I liked both the same, the A340 seemed slightly quieter, but maybe it was because of my seat. From the looks I always prefer a Quad, but the B777 is clearly the most beautiful Twin-jet ever. The B777-200 I´m talking about. The 777-300 (I call it the long sausage) is comparatively ugly. Being overstretched it looks more like a tasteless "Photoshop"-experiment to me.
But the B747-400 remains my favorite. Maybe the A380 might change that a bit in terms of comfort, but the impressive and elegant looks of the Jumbo Jet will possibly never be surpassed.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 11:17 pm

i flew once a 777-200, united from sfo to jfk, excellent plane, excellent flight, excellent service, excellent airline.
i´d love to fly the 777 again, especially on united.
í think it´s such a wonderful aircraft and has so much space in it, you don´t feel cramped in.

regards

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Sun Jan 14, 2001 11:43 pm



The Boeing 777 is a wonderful plane beeing it helped designed by UA. I have yet to fly on one to LHR but I fear not because I have heard so many great comments about the aircraft.




UAL_777_FO: One of my family members works for UA and seeing that you are stationed in DEN, he was there at the training facilites where they train Pilots in the simulators last week.



Rgds,

Mike


 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 12:18 am

In May of last year I flew on a Delta 777-200ER with 92,000lb thrust RR Trent 892s from MCO to ATL. Loved how roomy the aircraft was and how powerful and quiet those RR engines were on takeoff. I hope the new RR Trent powered A340-500/600 will match the 777's performance.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 1:05 am

One thing I've noticed about the 777-200ER is the fact these planes don't have very long takeoff runs even when fully loaded. I've seen UA 772ER's use at most 5/8th's of Runway 28R at SFO on their takeoff runs.

Must be the fact each engine is rated at least at 90,000 lb. of thrust.  
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 3:24 am

Hi

Once flew on AF 777 and twice on AF A340. The one time in 777 was fine, although I have to say that the level of noice inside the cabin was quite high. Okay, the explanation could be that we were sitting in the last row of the plane, so it could have been that.

A340 was lot more quiet inside but then again this time we were sitting above the wing, so the quietness could have been that. The last section of the plane was very loud, but that had nothing to do with aircraft noise (a football-team?). Seats in A340 are a joke. I felt that I was sliding off the seat all the time and I had to put pillows under my rear end so that I could sitt comfortably.

Anyway, both planes have their benefits

Mriihi
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 3:28 am

Flying on one of B-777s is on my wishlist. I'd also like to ride A330 and compare the two...
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 3:40 am

I was watching a documentary on the 777 on Discovery Channel a while back, & they featured an AA flight from DFW-LGW. The captain said it has the ride of a Rolls-Royce, with the maneuverability of a Porsche. Can you tell if this is true?
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 4:14 am

It is just wonderful to see so many kind words about me, my airline, and my plane.

*Mriihi - I've heard that in the '340 it is consistantly quiet. In the 777 I've noticed that it really depends on where you are seated.

*RayChuang - The 777's runway performance is excellent. I had a fully loaded flight LAX-LHR and we only used about 7,000 ft of the 12,091 of Runway 25R.

*SQA340 - Let me clarify something: Although I LIVE in Denver, I am based in IAD. Which can be a huge hassle at times. Basically, I have to catch a free ride from KDEN to KIAD ever time I have a flight. But I would have a series of flights, and might spend up to 17 days a month there, and the come home to DEN for up to 13 days - off time.  The Training center in DEN is VERY advanced, we've got SOOOO many simulators; its awesome.

*Johnnybgoode - The 777 style interior makes the plane fell like a 747 inside (I think), and with the A340 (don't get me wrong its a great plane) it fells a little more cramped. The 777 is 25 inches wider than the '340.

*Na - ARRRGGGGGG... I KNOW - I KNOW! Boeing made the 777-300 look like a pencil! Oh well - The new '340-600 isn't going to look any better!

*The777Man - Ohhhhhh - Sorry, I'm not driving any of those flights. Where are you going???

*OA269 - Well, flying a twin engined aircraft (from a Airline point of view) that can carry the same amount of people, the same distance (If not further), makes more sense because operating 2 engines is cheaper and more economical then flying a quad - puppy.   777 is more than 10% cheaper to fly than an A340-300.
The 777 was ETOPS certified early due to its FANTASTIC first few months of operation - In which it was more than 98.97% reliable (GE messed that all up jk)
which allowed UAL to (and others) recieve instant ETOPS. UAL's agreement with Boeing was that the 777 would come 'Service Ready' and be able to start on Domestic services for a month, and then jump into ETOPS services over the Atlantic. Boeing made 'simulated flights' using a system called SIL. This system put the aircraft through 400 simulated flights per month, and the engines were great. Any other?'s ?

*Boeing747-400 - Thanks for your kind wishes. I may go from 777 FO to 777 Captain, or I might go to 747-400 FO and then come back to 777 Captain. Or I might go 767-300 Captain, which allows me to go straight up being Captains on the 763, 772, and finally the 744.
Either way I'm really excited. 

Thanks again for all your kind words and wishes, and I hope that this has been of help answering your questions. If you DO have any more questions PLEASE JUST ASK. I will be more than happy to help.

FLY UAL 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 4:52 am

Wow,

767-300, 777-200, and 747-400. All are just great aircraft! However, one thing has saddened me over the past months about UAL, the retiring of the 747-200s that UAL operated. I heard that half of them were being scrapped and the other half were being sold to Northwest. It's sad to see those old 747-200s go from UAL's colors.

Best Regards,

B744
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 4:53 am

hey everyone...
well i just flew my first roundtrip on a 777 not long ago... AA 153/154 ORD-NRT-ORD on my way home to SIN for christmas. well i must say i was pretty happy with the aircraft, it was really more pleasant than the 744s that i fly often. two things though, firstly it wasn't too quiet but then again i was in row 28 and 29 which was just behind the wing so i guess that's part of the reason? secondly i notice that the overhead bins opened themselves quite a few times in the flight, and it wasnt entirely because the bags in them were too big or heavy. i got quite annoyed with this, being a potential safety hazard? otherwise it's a fantatic aircraft, if only all aircraft could be as comfortable, if not more so.

and to ual_777_fo: thanks for the valuable information, and happy flying.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 5:35 am

UA 777 F.O.

welcome to airliners.net! I've grown up as a United brat, and I love the 777, as well as the 767. I want to make a correction to one of your posts. N777UA is 2077 ETOPS "Working Togther" not 2071. I just wanted to point that out. I saw this plane at SFMB two weeks ago, and its nose was 2077. However, it was the first 777 aquired.

so, you are based in IAD, but live in Denver? Do you fly a lot of international trips? There are quite a few international trips out of IAD.

Well, next time you come to SFO, let me know.

Happy Flying,
David
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 6:55 am

UA_777_FO,

Actually, I have read in FLIGHT INTERNATIONAL that Airbus is completely redesigning the interior of the A340-500/600 models so it has more headroom and more overhead storage space; sounds like they're taking their cues from the 777 design.  

I've seen pictures of the recently completely A346 prototype and gawd, that thing is L-O-N-G. I'd like to know how are they going to park that plane at LAX when VS starts flying them on the LHR-LAX route in the late summer of 2002.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 7:51 am

The 777 with just two engines has more power combined over 180,000lbs thrust, than the four engine CFM56-5 powered A340-200/300 with just 136,000lbs thrust.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:55 am

I agree that both the a346 and 773 both look silly..."spaghetti planes."

But, it's bound to get interesting when the a345 comes out, with the RR Trents, competing with the 772LR. Especially if it gets that redesigned interior.

Might be a toss-up. They're both beautiful planes.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 9:17 am

I wish that Boeing didn't get into this exclusive engine deal with GE on the new 777-200LR & 300ER models so that RR and P&W can market their engines as options on these new 777s. Current P&W and RR 777 operators can order the new 777s with these engines rather than being forced into going with the GE90.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 9:59 am

10% more efficient than the A340-300!!! I have said it many times before and I will say it again, the 777 is the best plane in the world.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 10:11 am

Well,
I was on a flight from ORD-DEN, I picked the flight 2 months in advance just so I coul fly the Triple 7..Well come to find out my aircraft was chnanged to the 757..I still wait to fly her, and I really cant wait to fly UA again..They are my favorite airline..My favorite aircraft is the UA 747-400..Last summer I got A Chance to fly a Simulator at the UA Training center by Stapelton INTL. I was really great...I had a tour of the place and got a big cockpit poster of the 777.I really cant wait to fly the 777...-Brett
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 3:46 pm

I'm not going to continue a topic like 777 vs 340 because it's obvious that all americans in this topic will support the 777 till death.So I will only respond to previous answers and mention some undoubtful facts.I don't care if UAL_777_FO is a real FO but the A340 has indeed a more quiet cabin with the best first class and it's more economical than the 777.Both aircrafts has approximately the same dimensions and I can say the 340 is more roomy.The interior (ptvs etc) can be configured so it's not 777 has it and 340 doesn't.Four engines are more safe for long distance trips in case there's a fault.I personally have doubts on how 777 got the ETOPS authority since I believe that there's a big game of Boeing and Airbus with Boeing's pressure over airliners to buy their aircrafts.I don't say I hate it in fact I like it but not for long distance and not the way they present it like the ultimate aircraft of Boeing that is better than Airbus.Finally you can't if it's good or not since all aircrafts are more or less the same and good.It's airliners choice which has to do more with if the aircraft suits the needs of the airliner and its knowledge and history of its previous aircrafts in order to choose the same company to avoid additional costs.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Mon Jan 15, 2001 4:45 pm

OA269,

Let me start off by saying I am not attacking your opinion. Everyone on this forum has the right to his/her own opinion, whether they like/dislike certain aircraft or not. However, that said, let me state the severe problems I have with your last post.

You state; "So I will only respond to previous answers and mention some undoubtful facts." 'Facts' usually indicate you have some numerical evidence and the source of such data. Therefore:
". . .but the A340 has indeed a more quiet cabin. . .". Indeed?? Could you please share the decibel ratings with us, so we know what the difference between the aircraft are? I, for one, would be very curious.
". . .with the best first class. . .". You later say that the configuration of each aircraft is dependent on the airline, so how does this statement fit in with that? Doesn't airline service also play a big part in rating classes?
". . .it's more economical than the 777." I will be the first to admit that without an airline's operational data, UAL_777_FO should not have said the 777 is 10% more effecient than the A340. (If he does have the numbers, it would be AWESOME if he could share it with us!   ). However, until this data is publically available, such claims are baseless, on both sides.
"Both aircrafts has approximately the same dimensions and I can say the 340 is more roomy." Huh? You're saying they are the same yet the A340 is better? First off, they are not the same. The difference between the 777 cabin and the A330/340 cabin is approximately 3x the difference between the A320 and 737, where the Airbus is considered 'roomier.' Secondly, it appears that just about everyone on this forum, some airlines (SQ, AF to name a couple), and to some extent, Airbus itself, would disagree with you. I say this last part owing to the fact that Airbus is completely revamping the A340 interior (and its sistership, the A330) to give it a roomier feeling.

The 4 vs. 2 aspect has been beaten to death, and I'm not about to bring it up here. Needless to say, if ETOPS didn't work, Airbus and Rolls-Royce would not be testing the A340NGs to ETOPS standards.

Again, I have no problems with anyone liking the A340 over the 777. It is a good aircraft. However, that is not a reason to make baseless accusations against the 777.

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Tue Jan 16, 2001 2:01 am

I have been on UA (CHI-FRA) and BA (BOS-LHR) 777s, they are absolutely fabulous planes. Everything feels just right on these planes, my favorite ride 'cross the Atlantic. UA has been my favorite airline for many years but they gave me major travel headaches last summer and it will take a while before they have my business back. But the 777 can't be beat, the competition's A300 (AA; BOS-LHR), A330 (SR; BOS-ZRH) A340 (LH; BOS-FRA) do not even get close. The A300 (AA) is actually the most comfortable, closely followed by LH while I would rate the SR A330 unacceptable in economy.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Tue Jan 16, 2001 2:40 am

Let me clear up something - I was trying to say that UAL's 777's are 10% more efficient than A340-300's would be in the UAL fleet. But the 777 is 25 inches wider than the A340. The new planes will make a difference.

David - UAL changed the nose number on that aircraft after it recieved certain ETOPS ability.

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RE: Your Thoughts On The Boeing 777...

Tue Jan 16, 2001 3:54 am

They would of changed it to a different series such as create the 21XX series. N777UA is 2077, it always has been, and if they were to change it, it would be 2477.

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