parisien
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CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 10:49 pm

This summer, I will go on holidays in Indonesia again as I did last year. Beautiful country and people !
Do you have any opinions about what airline to take from Paris ? Last year I flew LH from CDG to FRA, for a change of aircraft, and on to SIN and CGK (Djakarta). So this year I want to take another company for the experience. (of course, taking into account the price of the ticket as well)
Also, do you know if there is a pass I could buy here to travel by air domestically ?
 
HB-IWC
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 10:57 pm

Contact Garuda Indonesia's Paris office, they have domestic airpasses available, but I believe they should be issued abroad, before your arrival into the country.

About your international travel plans... I'd say Singapore Airlines always makes a good choice, although AF's B777 is certainely not bad to CGK. Unfortunately they only fly thrice weekly.

If you really like to fly for your money, go for Emirates via DXB. Their DXB-CGK flight makes 2 extra stops en route (Colombo and Singapore).
 
krisworldB777
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 11:31 pm

I'd take SIA.
Paris - Singapore SQ 333 (744)
Singapore - Jakarta SQ 152 (744)
Jakarta - Singapore SQ 163 (343)
Singapore - Paris SQ 334 (744)

Air France and Emirates are probably also good choices and the extra stops may allow you to see extra places along the way but SIA provides a lot for your money and they are fabulous.
 
garuda
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Sun Jan 14, 2001 11:54 pm

Dear Parisien,

Why don't you try using Garuda Indonesia (GA)? As I have said in my posting on other topic, GA have improved much in the past 5 years, and I have experienced it too... When I went to AMS in 1994 using GA, they stopped over at CDG, although I'm not sure whether they are still serving CDG, since the Asian economic crisis forced GA to closed many of its routes.

For your domestic flights, nowadays there many domestic airlines in Indonesia. There are the old players such as Merpati, Bouraq, Mandala, and of course, Garuda. And there are also some new players (due to the deregulation), like AWAir, Lion, Bayu. Each has a unique market segment, in the sense that one airline is more favourable in one route, whereas in another route, another airlines is more favourable. If you like to try new airlines, this might be a good chance to do so.

Garuda only serve major cities in Indonesia, since they have transferred most of the domestic routes to their sister company, Merpati, so that GA can focus more on International routes.

Merpati is the biggest domestic carrier, in term of routes and fleet size. Its routes cover all Indonesia, even the remote jungles in Papua.

BTW, if you happen to come to Jakarta in the end of June-early July, I think we can meet.....since I will come to Jakarta to visit my parents.

regards,
JA
 
HB-IWC
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 12:02 am

Unfortunately Garuda doesn't serve CDG anymore.
 
gibberish
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 12:23 am

I'd go with SIA on this one. I doubt Garuda's safety record, fleet or service is any good.

Other possibilites would be MAS, Thai or like HB-IWC said Emirates.
 
Airbus A3XX
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 12:24 am

How about Cathay Pacific?
You can fly CDG-HKG then HKG-CGK!
 
parisien
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 5:45 am

having checked the web site, there is apparently also Gulf Air, via either London plus middle east stops such as Abu Dhabbi and Singapore. and Qantas via Singapore. I would like to be on as many different types of aircraft as possible. So, QF is out since they only use 744 from CDG (though once I saw the leased BA 744 and it looked great with the Qantas title and BA tail) and 767 from SIN to CGK. Ditto with KL, 737 to AMS and 744 combi to CGK.
I would especially like to fly on A330 since i have not yet flown the A330...so, Gulf Air is my only choice ?

Garuda, that would be great to meet. We can email each other. thanks to all for the response.
 
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:26 am

Try Malaysia Airlines 744 CDG-KUL service and onwards with MAS on the A330 or 737. Malaysia Airlines also provides an excellent Malaysian Stopover which is free for any passenger travelling via Kuala Lumpur. This allows the passenger to stopover at any Malaysian city or island (and may even include Singapore - I think) en route outbound AND inbound.
 
HB-IWC
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 10:00 am

Gulf Air uses the B767 from Abu Dhabi to Jakarta and makes a stop in Kuala Lumpur.

If you want to fly the A330, try CX, via HKG. The first, direct HKG-CGK flight is in A340, but if you have enough courage, you can wait for the second flight, which goes via SIN, and operates in A330-300. You will have to wait about 9 hours in HKG though...

MAS is another option, but they only have 3 weekly services from CDG.

Thai also operates the A330 into CGK now and than, and will allow you a free stop over in BKK.

I have also once flown KU to CGK via KWI. Great service, although I have to say that I was in the front cabin. They have twice weekly service KWI-CGK.

You should really reconsider QF, as they fly twice weekly their old B747-SP on the SIN-CGK run. There are not much opportunities anymore these days to fly this bird...

Finally, try to avoid Royal Jordanian, although their fares to CGK seem to be very low.
 
parisien
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 10:08 am

Thanks HB-IWC,
i will check with Qantas to see when they use their 747SP....you are right, the opportunity to fly these aircrafts is now rare.
I thought that QF uses their 767s on the SIN CGK route ?
a bientot.
 
marcelduchamp
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 3:01 pm

ok... these are your choices.

AF, MH, QF, TG, SQ, EK.

I think SQ's schedule is the most comprehensive. It is the only airline that can fly you on a one-stop service, at least 6 times a week.
 
SIA fan
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 4:10 pm

Thanks Parisien for saying our country is beautiful  
Anyway I'd choose SIA since their service is always superb and they have lots of flight to Indonesia. If you'd like to try the A330, Garuda sometimes operates their A330s on high yield domestic flights. Last year my flights between CGK and DPS were on A330s. What other cities besides Jakarta are you planning to visit?
SQ*G BD*S
 
varig md-11
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Mon Jan 15, 2001 5:47 pm

hi
from CDG Emirates and Gulfair use the A332 and the fares might be interesting
otherwise SQ and MH service are excellent,MH has very good prices too
AF TW AA NW DL UA CO BA U2 TP UX LH SK AZ MP KL SN VY HV LS SS TK SQ PC RG IW SE LI TN
 
parisien
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Tue Jan 16, 2001 2:07 am

Hi everyone,
thanks for the many responses....I will definitely have to choose an interesting airline and write a trip report!
to SIA fan...I will be visiting Java of course, and Bali and Lombok island and Giliair.
If the domestic fare is not too expensive I would like to go to Sulawesi.
What I really would want to do is to go futher east to Irian and Mollusc islands. But I hear that it is not very advisable to travel there at the moment. I have to see though since lots of news in the papers just seem worse than the reality. Last year, despite the news, I had a trouble-free travel. A great travel.
I did fly domestic on Merpati F100 twice. It was an experience. And you are right. Once I took Garuda from CGK to DPS and it was a 744 and I got seated in the upper deck since all the plane became Y class. It was great.
I checked flying GA to CGK. AF CDG AMS and GA AMS CGK. But now I am thinking of QF also as soon as I verify that I could fly on their 747SP!!! And the middle east airlines look interesting too! Too many choices!
 
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Tue Jan 16, 2001 10:03 am


- Garuda's B744s still have a business class section, which is located in the nose section of the plane. They are currently installing a premium economy section on the upper deck.

- QF's B747SPs usually operate one or two of the 5 weekly SIN-CGK-SYD flights.
 
parisien
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Tue Jan 16, 2001 11:40 pm

Having checked the website of QF for SIN CGK, I do not see any 747SP scheduled for the route...only 743EUD 742 and 763ER...
HB and others, do you know when QF uses their 747SP for this route if at all ....thanks
 
HB-IWC
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RE: CDG-CGK-CDG Which Airline?

Tue Jan 16, 2001 11:59 pm

Well, I saw one of their two SPs (VH-EAA) here in Jakarta last week, on the Sydney run.