chris28_17
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Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:05 am

IM just curious, remember that crash in 1987 in DTW (i believe), i remember there was a 4 year old girl that was the lone survivor, does anyone know what happend to her?? Im sure her privacy has been VERY protected, as it should... but i was just curious...

Forgive me if this is a touchy subject with anyone, i mean no disrespect to anyone.


CHRIS
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:10 am

From what I heard from MSNBC; She is still protected by her God family and grandparents to this day from the press.
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:43 am


She was 4 years old? I thought she was younger-so much so she was a lap child and was found in her dead mothers arms underneath the wreckage...I could be wrong about that but I always thought she survived because of that.

 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:45 am

I heard the same thing...that being locked under her mothers body saved her life. I heard that Northwest gave her lifetime free travel benefits.
I wonder if she's ever actually used them.
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Mon Jan 15, 2001 12:13 pm

That good that they gave her those benfits but i think i may never want to fly again if that happened to me.
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Mon Jan 15, 2001 12:29 pm

WOW, lifetime flight benefits? That almost seems like a slap in the face, but, i suppose at the same time, what is NW supposed to do??

Geez, stuff like that always freaks me out. Its so tragic and horrific, and yet they (aircraft accidents) are so mysterious and captivating.

Okay, i will shut up now, i REALLY dont want to offend anyone.

CHRIS
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Mon Jan 15, 2001 12:39 pm

Sorrow soon turns to outrage when you discover that the reason that MD-80 went down in the first place is because the jackass pilots didn't set the flaps.
Isn't that a basic pre-flight check list item?
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Mon Jan 15, 2001 12:52 pm

MATTD,

You are right, the story goes that the pilots got confused or something on taxi out as to what runway to use. Apparently ATC was confused too, routing different NW flights to different runways during the big evening hub push. The pilots had been running down this list when the confusion came up, when they figured out which runway to go to, this item had been over looked, along with a switch that if flipped on would have alerted them that the flaps weren't deployed. It was one of those domino effect causes, one thing led to another to another and then the crash.
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Mon Jan 15, 2001 1:40 pm


The thing is, even without the flaps the pilots could have flown out of the situation by appliying less upward pressure on the yoke, thus stalling the aircraft. It was shown later in sim. tests that if the pilots had lowered the aircrafts pitch they might have made the takeoff without flaps. Of course hindsight is a bitch.

 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Mon Jan 15, 2001 1:40 pm

Check out the NTSB report if you're interested.
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Mon Jan 15, 2001 2:00 pm

the NTSB reports seems to say there were 6 survivors........?
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Mon Jan 15, 2001 2:27 pm

FYI--- there have been a few NW runway incursions ... a DC9 and 727 played tag about 2 years later (or was it sooner ?)

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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Mon Jan 15, 2001 2:40 pm

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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:27 pm

Gents...My recollection was that the toddler was about 3 or 4, and was sittling on her moms lap(small child?).
When my son was younger and we travelled I thought of this child often. You guys with kids know what I mean.

Wasn't the MD-80 loaded to MTOW with pax,bags & fuel for the run to PHX? Seems to me there was an issue of weight?

 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Tue Jan 16, 2001 5:14 am

Have you noticed now when you fly NW that the first thing the pilots do after engine start is lower the flaps. This is done on NW earlier than I have seen it on any other airline.
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Tue Jan 16, 2001 5:34 am

There was a two hour special on some channel a year or so ago about different crashes. I remember them saying the little girl was 4 years old. When the rescuers first found her they weren't sure if she had been a passenger on the plane or someone travelling in one of the cars that had been hit. Her relatives in Phoennix sent a description of her and she was identified because she had a chipped tooth and wore purple nail polish.

Since she was 4 years old, I don't think she was a lap child, though. I was always under the impression that she had been sitting next to her mother, but the mother had enough warning that something was going wrong and had time to to grab her and sheild her with her body.

I read something somewhere that one other contributing factor to the crash was that the pilots were in a hurry. Apparently the plane was already late and after making it's scheduled stop in PHX, it was supposed to go on to SNA which had a curfew. Not sure if that is correct, though.

LoneStarMike

 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Tue Jan 16, 2001 7:17 am

call me nuts, but I remember when it happend. A pilot right behind the airplane said he saw a flame out in the engine. I never heard from that pilot ever again. It could have made it with flaps 0. But if it offical than its offical. Dident mean to affend anyone if I did.
 
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RE: LoneStarMike

Tue Jan 16, 2001 8:39 am

That show you referred to was on MSNBC last night. Everything you stated is correct. I think they covered every crash you could think of, including:

1. 1972 Eastern L-1011/Everglades
2. 1979 American DC-10/Chicago
3. 1985 Delta L-1011/Dallas
4. 1988 Pan Am 747/Lockerbie
5. 1989 United DC-10/Sioux City
6. 1994 USAir 737/Pittsburgh
7. 1996 TWA 747/Long Island
8. 1996 ValuJet DC-9/Miami
9. 1998 Swissair 111/Nova Scotia
 
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Matt D Nees To Apologize.

Tue Jan 16, 2001 8:48 am

Please refrain from calling names on the forum. Your reference to the deceased pilots as JACKASSES is a slap in the face to their families and friends. Monday morning quarterbacking is easy ... You were not there so I believe an apology is forthcoming.

This topic began with the inquiry about the lone survivor and I hope that wherever she is she does'nt suffer from the memories. A million dollars could not replace what happened to her.

I should remind the pilots on this forum about the fact that the warning systems on the MD 80 did not work on that day either. With the flaps not set in the takeoff position a warning horn sounds off when the throttles are moved forward of the 50 % point. This was not recorded on the CVR. Other factors also played into this accident. The recent merger and the subsequent culture clashes resulted in a modification of the checklist for the MD 80 at NWA. Prior to the merger NWA was a 3 man crew airline exclusively. The third person did a lot of the crosschecking. When new checklist procedures were imposed upon the 2 man crew airplanes some of the checks and balances were lost. Setting flaps was obviously one of those areas.

Lets move on

regards
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Tue Jan 16, 2001 11:01 am

Hold UP!!!!!!!I think you guys mean DC-9.
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Tue Jan 16, 2001 11:09 am

B-787,
The crash did involve an MD-82 and not a DC-9.

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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Tue Jan 16, 2001 11:14 am

I believe that the pilots were in fact "jackasses" in light of the fact that they were joking around with the flight attendent before the take-off. Flirting could be more like it...

... or am I thinking of a different crash?

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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Tue Jan 16, 2001 12:04 pm

"Let he/she who is without sin cast the first stone" as they say....I dont know a pilot alive or dead (myself included) that has never made a mistake or missed a "routine" checklist item at one time or another. Fortunately our checks and balances usually catch these mistakes. In this case they didnt.

As for the simulator recreation....Yes, they could have flown out of this IF they realized immediately what had gone wrong and IF the aircraft had not struck a light pole as it skimmed across the parking lot. At that weight and configuration the aircraft needed nearly a half mile more distance to climb out of ground effect achieve a positive rate of climb and clear all obstacles. Their fate was pretty much sealed at rotation.

The worst thing anyone can do in a situation like this is to adopt a judgemental attitude. Lets not forget that this crew has already paid the ultimate price for their mistake.
 
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NW 255

Tue Jan 16, 2001 12:05 pm

I would have to say that considering NWA is flying DC9s that once belonged to airlines such as North Central, Southern, and Republic, that these aircraft have an excellent maintainance history. Northwest has since retired the MD80s (All 7 of them!). All I have to look at now is the $150.00 model I have and remember. It wont be to long before these DC9s are gone either. I wouldnt call that lifetime travel benifits a "slap in the face", it wasnt the airlines fault. they just dealt with the situation the best they could. I tell you what, I wouldnt be scared flying on those aircraft if I were her. NW is a great Airline with an excellent record.

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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Tue Jan 16, 2001 4:06 pm

Yes, Pilot 1113. It was the one with the "joking" with the FA's.

Cheers!
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Tue Jan 16, 2001 4:23 pm

Hey Pilot1113,

What gives you the right to even have an opinion on this issue?

 
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Pilot1113

Tue Jan 16, 2001 5:33 pm

Pilot 1113, are you perhaps confusing this accident with the DAL 727 accident on T/O (flaps not extended)in "88" at DFW or the CO accident in DEN with the DC9-10 in "87"? In any case I would refrain from being too judgemental using offensive language in a public forum being as you aspire to be an airline pilot. The airlines from a maintenance point of view (and I'm sure pilots as well) is a relatively small group with people you come in contact with and work with eventually moving on to different airlines. The impression you make with these people will eventually make its way around the industry, especially if its extraordinarily positive or NEGATIVE. Without offending you, you are not even in the business yet and you're prone to making sweeping generalizations about the industry and how you're not going to fall into the same "traps" as other pilots preceding you. My impression is that you're setting yourself up for a fall. My unsolicited advice is listen and learn and be very conservative in your criticisms of others. Either that or vent using a different handle 
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RE: Pilot1113

Wed Jan 17, 2001 1:15 am

I thought the crash in which you were talking was a Delta 727 (i forgot where). Discussing "dating habits" of flight attendants. The pilots mentioned how thier inappropriate conversation was being recorded and that they "had to leave something for thier wifes and kids if they crash". Very chilling. In that situation also they forgot thier flaps...



CHRIS
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Wed Jan 17, 2001 1:27 am

Yep, Delta 727 at DFW.

Back to NW...I remember my best friend's girlfriend (now his wife) called me in a panic-stricken state to tell me of the plane crash at Detroit. Her present day hubby's flight left DTW just moments ahead of the ill-fated Northwest bird.
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Wed Jan 17, 2001 2:27 am

What woz that MD-80 crash where Captain disregarded FOs warning about altitude? Cockpit recorder also had this joke heard from FE addressing Captain, in presence of FO:

FE: "Do you know the difference between co-pilot and a duck?"

Captain: "NNah, what's the difference?"

FE: "Well, a duck can fly"

Captain: "Yeah right, good point..."

And there was also a laugh. Minutes later they crashed due to misjudgment of altitude on approach, it was reported.

Sad story, if they heard to FO, they might've lived.  
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Wed Jan 17, 2001 3:03 am

What show was it on msnbc last night? What time did it air and what was it called?
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Wed Jan 17, 2001 3:39 am

From that NTSB report:
Aircraft:MCDONNELL DOUGLAS DC-9-82, registration: N312RC

Posts keep referring to it as an MD-80. Is the DC-9 and MD-80 the same thing?

Injuries: 156 Fatal, 2 Serious, 4 Minor.

What happened to the other five survivors? How come they're not mentioned?

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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Wed Jan 17, 2001 4:22 am

yeah im almost sure she was 4 years old her brother and parents died, it was an md-80 no flaps, they missed an entire checklist and it rolled to the right or left and onto a highway. thanks msnbc if you want ot know moer about all those crashes msnbc has a show thats two hours long its always on
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Wed Jan 17, 2001 6:12 am

Hey, an MD80 is the same thing as a DC9-80. And for the person Surf I believe, what crash are you referring to? It damn sure wasnt the one we are speaking of if you think that NW 255 was on approach!

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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Wed Jan 17, 2001 6:40 am

What happened to the other five survivors?

I guess no one ever mentions them because they weren't from the plane, but rather in some of the cars that hit when the plane went down. This is an abstract from the NTSB website regarding the incident:

About 2046 eastern daylight time on August 16, 1987, Northwest Airlines, Inc., flight 255 crashed shortly after taking off from runway 3 center at the Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County Airport, Romulus, Michigan. Flight 255, a McDonnell Douglas DC-9-82, U.S. Registry N312RC, was a regularly scheduled passenger flight and was en route to Phoenix, Arizona, with 149 passengers and 6 crewmembers.

According to witnesses, flight 255 began its takeoff rotation about 1,200 to 1,500 feet from the end of the runway and lifted off near the end of the runway.

After liftoff, the wings of the airplane rolled to the left and the right about 35 degrees in each direction. The airplane collided with obstacles northeast of the runway when the left wing struck a light pole located 2,760 feet beyond the end of the runway.

Thereafter the airplane struck other light poles, the roof of a rental car facility, and then the ground. It continued to slide along a path aligned generally with the extended centerline of the takeoff runway. The airplane broke up as it slid across the ground and postimpact fires erupted along the wreckage path.

Three occupied vehicles on a road adjacent to the airport and numerous vacant vehicles in a rental car parking lot along the airplane's path were destroyed by impact forces and/or fire.

Of the persons on board flight 255, 148 passengers and 6 crewmembers were killed; 1 passenger, a 4-year-old child, was injured seriously. On the ground, two persons were killed, one person was injured seriously, and four persons suffered minor injuries.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of the accident was the flightcrew's failure to use the taxi checklist to ens

 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Wed Jan 17, 2001 6:44 am

Oops, sorry...last part got cut off.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of the accident was the flightcrew's failure to use the taxi checklist to ensure that the flaps and slats were extended for takeoff. Contributing to the accident was the absence of electrical power to the airplane takeoff warning system which thus did not warn the flightcrew that the airplane was not configured properly for takeoff. The reason for the absence of electrical power could not be determined.

LoneStarMike

 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Wed Jan 17, 2001 7:39 am

My parents just a got a divorce and I had left DTW that day to PHX, I forget which Airline. My sister called in tears because she didn't walk me to the gate and was very abrupt when droppinf me off. It really was a bad day.
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Wed Jan 17, 2001 9:32 am

I remember just stepping off a DC-10 in Houston and people were gathered around a TV in a newsstand. I walked up with the captain and engineer and I asked a person what had happened. He told me a jet had crashed on takeoff at DTW and that everyone was dead. He said they thought "the damn stupid pilots forgot to set the wings or something". The "carefree" tone in his voice stopped my chuckle about "setting the wings" and I spun him around and gave him a quick tongue lashing about how we are in control of all these peoples lives and things like that. He seemed taken aback and I walked away and waited until I turned on the news radio station in my car and saw the footage on CNN from my apartment to get the details of the crash. The comment really ticked me off, and still does to this day.

That's how I remember that crash.
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Wed Jan 17, 2001 11:49 am

Well I remember, I was flying from Dallas to Frankfurt, on the same day as the really bad Delta L-1011 Windshear crash @ DFW. I was only 6 or 7 but I remember the next day seeing photos of the crash on TV... we left only a few minutes before it happened...

-AA777 (yes i realize this post wasnt relevant to the NW crash, but relavent to 777gk's post.)
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Wed Jan 17, 2001 2:32 pm

The night before I left for NYC, I remember hearing about FedEx flight 14 (MD-11) that crashed in EWR. The next morning, I was on a UAL 757 flight from DEN to EWR. Upon landing in EWR, I looked out the window, and saw the wreckage of the plane, the twisted, flame-licked lump of steel. Nice to see that on arrival?

Let me tell you guys, it is easy to judge a pilot responsible for a crash from your living room in front of the "Breaking News" report on TV. But when you see what I saw in EWR, just looking at something like that makes you scared to be anywhere near an airplane. How do you think the pilot felt in that moment when his plane in one piece instantly became many screwed up pieces of crap? You have to feel sorry for the pilot, no matter what he did. Even if you still think the pilot deserved any punishment for the NWA crash, he got it when he paid his life to the flames of the crash.

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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Wed Jan 17, 2001 2:51 pm

I visited the crash site last year. They have a memorial set up. It is just one of many crash sites I've been to.
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Thu Jan 25, 2001 12:06 pm

Interesting fact
I just learned today the 24th that my debate coach was supposed to be on that aircraft on that flight, but he got delayed in France. Very interesting. He still has the letter he wrote to some one telling why he wasn't on the airplane.

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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Thu Jan 25, 2001 1:25 pm

UAL Bagsmasher:

Out of curiosity, what other crash sites have you visited?

It may seem like a morbid interest, which it really is, but I've been interested in researching crash sites for quite some time now. I'm hoping to visit the ridge just outside Loudoun County, VA (near my home) someday, the site of both the 1974 TWA 727 crash and the 1947 PCA DC-4 crash.

Also, what's your take on the ethics of visiting crash sites? Do you think that it's morally correct to do so?
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Thu Jan 25, 2001 2:30 pm

I've been to the followng sites:

NW 255 in DTW
UA B732 site in MDW
UA B732 site in COS
Southern Air 242 DC-9 site in New Hope GA
AA 191 DC-10 site in ORD
Gulfstream site at PWK near ORD


I don't think there is anything disrespectful about visiting crash sites. In fact, many locals in the area that happened to be passing by were more than happy to answer my questions and even told me about their personal experiences that day. The only time I encountered any static was in New Hope GA. A county Sheriff saw us driving back and forth where the site was....and stayed on our bumper until we left town. Big grin
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Thu Jan 25, 2001 2:42 pm

Hello, I would also like to mention that Phoenix Suns player Nick Vanos was on that flight back to Phoenix with his wife. Just thought I'd let you know.


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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Fri Jan 26, 2001 2:33 am

Maybe "Deputy Dawg" thought you were scoring some dope and thought sure he would make the newspapers!  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:07 am

My Mom, at the time was a Trauma Nurse at Detroit Recieving Hospital. She remembers walking the crash site in a pair of rubber boots, with gloves on. She doesnt really like talking about what she saw, but when she does, its really sad. She says that she saw headless, armless, legless, bodies. Burned up people, body parts strewn all over the road. It wasnt pretty according to her. She also says that even though her working at the best trauma hospital in the most dangerous city in the world (gunshots to the head, stabbings, etc.) nothing could prepare her for what she saw.


P.S. sorry for using the word "she" so much.
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Fri Jan 26, 2001 4:08 am

Theres nothing wrong with visiting crash sites and just seeing the area for yourself. The crash sites look like that no plane had crashed there besides a small memorial. Sometimes there is no memorial but there is an empty area and the ground looks uneven like it was plowed by a bulldozer or small ditches where impressions were made on the ground by wreckages or bodies. I visited the area of Lokerbie where PA 103 had crashed. I had also visited the sheep pasture in which the coroners had found my best friend and his family when they were killed aboard PA 103 it was quite sad but I eventually got over it and the area is quite a peaceful place now. I had remeber seeing the infamous 747 nose cone with the "Maid of the Seas" title and the burnt houses and the gas station in Lockerbie and I had collapsed to my knees and cried because There were people on the ground that were killed that was in December of 1988. Now when you go there today the area looks like that there was no plane crash. The only thing that'll tell you what happened are the memorial located not too far from where the nosecone of the 747 was and the resdients will tell you some stories about what they saw.

I've also visited the crash sites where the Avianca 707 had run out of fuel and crashed in upstate NY

Chakidari, India in which the Russian charter plane and a Saudia 747-100 collided and left wreackage strew all over the area. The are next to the M-1 moterway in the UK in which a British Midland 737-400 crashed after the pilot shut down the wrong engine. As well as the UAL DC-8 crash in Oregon at a golf couse. I've even seen the are in Nova Scotia in where an Arrow Air DC-8 crashed that carried members of the US States armed Forces home for Christmas.

I've taken boat rides to where TWA 800 and Swissair 111 went down and layed wreaths in the water. I've done the same with The area where Air India 182 had crashed in the water. American Eagle ATR 72 that crashed in Rosewell Indiana and the AA DC-10 that crashed outside ORD next to a trailer park. I've had no problems from anyone including law enforcement. There are people who ask why I would come out to these places but then again they don't understand because they haven't lost loved ones on an air disaster like I have so I won't expect them to understand. I go because the area is there and I would like to see it
"FUIMUS"
 
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Fri Jan 26, 2001 4:43 am

I am a little disapointed that some poeple in here calling the pilots 'Jackasses' (especially Pilot 1113) I can tell you from my little flying experience you things are easily forgotten. I even remember Pilot 1113 telling us on his checkride he forgot to raise the flaps after a short or soft feild take off. The pilots made a mistake that can happen to everyone one of us, I just hope it does not!
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RE: Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.

Wed Jan 31, 2001 7:25 am

Someone on this board said they saw a show about plane crashes on MSNBC. Can anyone tell me the name of the show and when it will be on next? I have looked on their website and cannot find any information.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
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