patroni
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Info On Canadair CL-44?

Thu Jan 18, 2001 7:42 am

Hello!

I am looking for all possible info on the Canadair CL-44, like detailed tech data, maybe scans out of the OPS manual, drawings and pictures.

Does anyone of you know something about "the monster" as they used to call the CL-44?


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There is an excellent webpage on the CL-44, on Cargolux's aircraft and on Icelandic aviation in General at http://www.cl44.com , but I am still looking for more technical information in addition to this one.

So...any help would be appreciated  

Best regards,

Thomas



 
DeltaSFO
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Thu Jan 18, 2001 7:46 am

Oh, Ceilidh will have lots of info for you.

Mind you, most of it is BS, but that's ok. He's a very skilled pilot and executive. Just ask him. He'll tell you so.

DeltaSFO
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Guest

RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:35 am

I have part-ownership in the last two CL44s; both of which are currently in Kinshasa. They were acquired from Tradewinds a couple of years back.

Email me with the information you're looking for and I'll see what we can do.

DeltaSFO considering you're supposedly a ticket clerk, don't you have some pax to check in or something? Don't be a complete assh*le your whole lifr.
 
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:38 am

DeltaSFO considering you're supposedly a ticket clerk, don't you have some pax to check in or something? Don't be a complete assh*le your whole lifr.

Getting a little defensive, eh Ceilidh? LOL  

I suppose you want me to leave you to tell your lies in peace.

DeltaSFO
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:51 am

Patroni -here's a pic of one of our aircraft:


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DeltaSFO
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Thu Jan 18, 2001 10:26 am

Yeah... just ignore the posts... maybe they'll just disappear and everything will be okay.

That pic could be any a/c.

Come on Ceilidh... scan the title and reg of the aircraft, as well as a copy of your ATP while you're at it, then maybe we'll think about taking you more seriously.

OTOH, you could always doctor one up, so who knows...

DeltaSFO
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Bikeman
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Fri Jan 19, 2001 3:48 am

Email me for gen, I'll see what I can rustle up.
I was the engineer responsible for getting the last bird out of GSO at the end of '99.
Lots on the website with regards to the surviving airframes is not correct, some of it deliberatly so.
Ignore that plonker Ceilidh, you can get better info out of plane-spotter's books than from him.
 
patroni
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Fri Jan 19, 2001 7:21 am

CEILIDH,

>>I have part-ownership in the last two CL44s; both of >>which are currently in Kinshasa. They were acquired >>from Tradewinds a couple of years back.
>>Email me with the information you're looking for and >>I'll see what we can do. "

Thanks for your kind offer! In the first place I would be interested if you could send me a scan of the Aircraft Operating Manual showing the dimensions of the CL-44, also a speed table would be appreciated.

My email address is patroni@classicliners.com

Thanks and best regards,

Thomas
ELLX

 
patroni
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Bikeman

Fri Jan 19, 2001 7:36 am

Hello,

thanks for your kind offer, please check your mailbox!

Best regards,

Thomas
 
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Fri Jan 19, 2001 7:39 am

Strange, Bikeman, I thought Mike Snow did it pretty much on his own? Thats what he told me, anyway!   
 
Bikeman
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Mon Jan 22, 2001 10:55 pm

Check your own info that you've given in the past on the CL44. Duh. You've only given info you've got second hand from Mike or from a plane-spotter's mag.
Stop claiming credit for things you haven't done.
 
trintocan
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Wed Jan 24, 2001 2:17 pm

I remember 2 CL-44s in Kinshasa were destroyed by fire in a hangar there last year. The enormously destructive airport fire also claimed a Caravelle and a 707. Were those the 2 planes that came from Tradewinds? Additionally, does anybody know how many of them still exist (the last count I had from 1998 says 8)?

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Bikeman
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Thu Jan 25, 2001 11:06 pm

We had 2 CL44 at Kinshasa at the time of the blast, neither were in hangers, one was only moments away from starting her engines to fly. Both sustained damage, and as yet only 1 has been returned to operational status.
One of our pilot's investigated the Yukon in Guayaquil in July last year, but we were surprised to see that cl44.com is now saying she's been scrapped. Others we know for sure are our 2 in Kinshasa, 1 in Brazzaville (all ex-Tradewinds).
 
shankly
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Thu Jan 25, 2001 11:15 pm

Patroni,

Can't help you but you've jogged my memory of happy days in my youth watching the Transmeridian Cargo CL-44's (including their Guppy) arriving and departing at STN.

Always thought the swinging tail was pretty cool.

You take them for granted at the time, but now certainly miss aircraft like these.
L1011 - P F M
 
whisperingiant
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Fri Jan 26, 2001 11:16 pm

Bikeman/Trintocan

Interesting stuff. Re my post on the City Connexions Yukon, can you shed any light?

Ta

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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Sat Jan 27, 2001 1:36 am

Cosnidering that the Yukon had piston engines, steam driven avionics and not a lot of commonality spares-wise with the CL44, there wouldn't be any logical point in acquiring it! Having said that, Mike Snow doesn't consult his partners much ... which gets him into trouble.
 
Bikeman
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Sat Jan 27, 2001 4:21 am

Screwed that one up Ceilidh.
The CL28 Argus was a piston engined derivative of the Britannia, developed as a martime recon aircraft for the Canadian Armed Forces.
The CL44-6 was the Yukon. The CL44-D4 was the unnamed swingtail freighter. Commonality between the Yukon and the swingtail is over 90%. Differences revolve around the cockpit windows (ala Britannia for Yukon, CV990 for the swingtail), cockpit crewing arrangements (1 extra man for the Yukon), APU in the nose wheel well in the Yukon, and of course a hinged rear end on the swingtail. And except for the military specific avionics, both fits are identical.
Get your facts straight.
 
DeltaSFO
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Sat Jan 27, 2001 4:33 am

OOPS!!!! LOL

Bikeman.....  Big thumbs up

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cicadajet
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RE: Info On Canadair CL-44?

Sat Jan 27, 2001 10:34 am

wish I too could help... but it does bring back childhood memories of Flying Tigers at EWR.... The CL-44s were commonplace there in the 60s. Those tails were cool. The Civilian version flown by Icelandic/Loftleider was a sight too..especially surviving so far into the jet age...

Tom

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