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JetBlue Skids Off JFK Runway

Mon Jan 22, 2001 3:03 am

JetBlue Airways flight 88 landed safely this morning at New York's JFK Airport at 8:08am from Ontario Internatioanl Airport in California.

However, the aircraft slid off the runway 4R, at low speed, while turning to leave the runway.  Wow!

The aircraft had 139 passengers and 6 crew onboard. No injuires have been reported, nor damage to the aircraft.

Passengers were transferred to the terminal via people movers and are now all at the terminal.
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RE: JetBlue Skids Off JFK Runway

Mon Jan 22, 2001 10:50 am

Do the pilots get fired when that happens of do they just have to go through more training before they are allowed to fly again?
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RE: JetBlue Skids Off JFK Runway

Mon Jan 22, 2001 10:55 am

jetBlue handeled it real nicely though. All the pax were back to the terminal within 90 mins, and were given food and beverages along the way. On top of that, every passenger was given compensation (full refund for that flight).


PS: I doubt that jetBlue would fire pilots, they just don't seem like that kind of airline. This was not as severe a situation as SW's flight at BUR, as I see it.
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RE: JetBlue Skids Off JFK Runway

Mon Jan 22, 2001 11:38 am

The amazing thing:

Look at the load for that A320! A red-eye, too!

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RE: JetBlue Skids Off JFK Runway

Mon Jan 22, 2001 12:31 pm

Given that it snowed all night in NY and it was icy all day Saturday and Sunday, this comes as no surprise
and should be hardly considered "newsworthy".

The fact that no-one was injured is probably a good
sign that the pilots were going out of their way to
avoid an incident, however small.

As for the WN accident at Burbank, I believe it was
pilot error (coming into landing too fast).

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RE: JetBlue Skids Off JFK Runway

Mon Jan 22, 2001 1:25 pm

Before somebody should think about firing the pilots, how about checking the aircraft to see if everything was working ok, such as the antiskid system, nose wheel steering, engine controls, etc.

It may have been a pilot error in JFK but I remember an incident where an L-1011 ran off the side of the runway after starting its takeoff roll in Palm Beach, where the #1 engine was slow to spool up, the aircraft was lightly loaded, and the nose wheel steering was ineffective and the pilot could not control the aircraft. And this was on a dry non-icy runway. One never knows until one knows all of the facts.
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RE: JetBlue Skids Off JFK Runway

Mon Jan 22, 2001 1:33 pm

That reminds of a story I heard from a United pilot at a banquet.

Back in the late '80's, a UA DC-8-70 taxied into position to takeoff on a slightly icy runway. After takeoff clearance the pilot pushed the levers to takeoff thrust but the numer 1 and 2 engines were not spooling up while 3 and 4 were, causing the aircraft to suddenly veer to the right. The pilot attempted to correct this by putting 3 and 4 into reverse to slow down. This helped straighten the aircraft, however the pilot did not tend to engines 1 and 2 and these finally decided to spool up to takeoff thrust just as the other two were still in reverse causing the long aircraft to skid in a 360 degree circle on the runway. When the tower asked the pilot what had happened, he nonchalantly replied: "Just going around". Meanwhile the pilot of a Delta aircraft awaiting to takeoff behind the United said: "United do that again, do that again"!


RE: JetBlue Skids Off JFK Runway

Mon Jan 22, 2001 1:34 pm

140 pax is a good load for that ONT red-eye. Apparently, B6 is pleased with the service and is committing the aircraft to the route all day now, with a day-time service to ONT as well as OAK.

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RE: JetBlue Skids Off JFK Runway

Mon Jan 22, 2001 1:49 pm

Let's not also forget the Tower 747 that skidded off the runway at JFK during takeoff... ops with snow or ice are always tricky. That airplane, as I recall, was written off due to its age vs. the cost of repair (nosewheel failure, damage to engine pods, etc.).
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RE: JetBlue Skids Off JFK Runway

Mon Jan 22, 2001 3:57 pm

It's not surprising to see that JetBlue handled this minor incident so well, crediting all pax with the cost of the flight, feeding them while waiting, etc. It's amazing what a philosophical commitment to customer service will do. Would DL or AA have handled a similar incident at JFK that well? I'm not optomistic.

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