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Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Sat Jan 27, 2001 6:31 pm

Yes, who is the best. ( I mean in England but you can add others with there are any)

There' not much to choose from is it. All offer cramped seating, no meals, lounges or inflight entertainment. Well you get what you pay for of course.

I would choose Easyjet. For once this is not an educated opinion. It's just because I saw them on AIrline (ITV UK).
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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Sat Jan 27, 2001 6:43 pm

Yes, I would say EasyJet too for the same reason (although with some of the grumpy staff you see on that programme, I have my doubts. Still, they work for a subcontractor, not EasyJet itself)
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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Sat Jan 27, 2001 7:04 pm

RYANAIR all the way. Because they're Irish  Smile
Plus they have a selection of a huge number of destinations

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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Sat Jan 27, 2001 10:00 pm

RYANAIR. I think it's GREAT!!!!!
It flies from London Stansted (STN) to Brescia Airport (VBS) which is 7 km far from my home. It uses new 737-800 (EI-CSA EI-CSB EI-CSC EI-CSD EI-CSE EI-CSF EI-CSG EI CSH) on STN-VBS route, their fares are really good. The crew is very kind and departures are very often on time.
I can definitely say that RYANAIR is very good!!!!!!

RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Sat Jan 27, 2001 10:05 pm

Even though never try any of the Non-frills airlines in UK before, but I think the no-frills airlines seats wasn't as cramp as what you (Singapore_Air) mentioned in your post. I did come across EasyJet seat and seat pitch in the Airlines TV program (Channel Nine Aust last year) and for sure it was quite spacious and nice in the B737 context. Something for sure, they have much more leg room as compared to the MAS B737 economy seats.

By the way, Channel 10 of Australia already started the new program called 'LAX' every Monday from 7.30 to 8.30pm. It was about the operations of the LA International airport and they mainly focus on custom, emergency, AA and UA. It was quite similar to the BBC 'Airport' (about LHR) about I think the LAX was much better. For those who used to come across this program, any comment?
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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Sun Jan 28, 2001 12:01 am

Ryanair are from my experience the cheapest and friendly generally, Go is friendly and more upmarket but more expensive as a rule of thumb. Guess it depends what you're after. I want cheap so Ryanair gets my vote. For space it's much of a muchness, 29 or 30 inch pitch.

Singapore_Air: Food and drink are offered for sale on all (I think GO doesn't on some early flights into STN), plus Buzz has lounges you can access at a fee plus fast track formalities (ie. passport control). Also at STN (where Ryanair, Buzz and Go are based ex UK) there's the Millenium Lounge any passenger can use for a fee including fast track formalities. It costs about £10?

Phileo: I've seen a few LAX's and thought it was really good too.
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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Sun Jan 28, 2001 12:44 am

Yes food is sold on board. I should have made myself a bit more clearer.
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Which Ever One Is Left

Fri Feb 02, 2001 7:42 pm

As expected the SWA copy cats in Europe are all facing the reality of the European industry. With packed sky's, and even more packed airports Europe's new entrants are going to quickly fade or if lucky be bought out. SWA, the base for most of Europes low cost no frills airlines is able to succeed because they can keep costs down; with fast turn around, secondary airports, low fuel costs (compared to Europe), fairly low employee benefits, and used planes (initially).
Now the European industry (GO, Ryanair, Buzz, Easyjet, Virgin ex, transavia) are trying to imitate this idea but using primary airports such as AMS, high fuel costs, expensive employee benefits, severe gate and expansion restrictions, fierce competition, weather delays, new planes, international routes (passports from England to rest or EU) and various other things.

I have been very surprised that they have made it this long. But I have to say that Branson made the right move with Virgin and its only a matter of time before the others find out that the low fare no frills SWA idea does not fly in Europe. Wait till they get the latest bill from London for take off and landing costs.

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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Fri Feb 02, 2001 8:12 pm


It IS working in Europe. Easyjet is not exactly on the verge of bankruptcy, you know. They started only 5 or 6 years ago with a couple of old Britannia 737-200s, and now have a fleet of 21 737s, all less than 2 years old except for one 737-300 which was built in '89 I believe. They have 32 new planes on order.

It will take a while, and prices won't be as low as in the U.S., but no-frills airlines are certainly a welcome addition in Europe, and with the easier regulation coming in gradually with the EU, some will fail, and more will take their place.

Asia will be the next potential playing field for no-frills airlines, although I don't see that happening very soon due to the protectionism still in place there.

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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Fri Feb 02, 2001 8:16 pm

is it true that easyjet may stop flights from luton due to expensive landing fees as much as 8pp customer
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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Fri Feb 02, 2001 8:16 pm

Well virgin Express still is running , only virgin Express Ireland is going to be sold.Virgin Express Belgium is excisted still and i hope they will excisted in the future their sevice is crap , but the fares are very cheap and for a flight of an hour i can't care about some food and seat pitch.So For me Virgin Express is the best , only because their is no other no frills airline in Brussels.

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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Fri Feb 02, 2001 8:29 pm


OK, all the great ideas come from the US and all the european practices are "copycats". Everybody (in USA of course) knows that!
As for the rest you talk about "expensive employee benefits (pilots are cheap in USA), severe gate and expansion restrictions (in USA everything is expandable), fierce competition (isn't US market deregulated?), weather delays (it never rains in USA, right?), new planes (of course US carriers don't need them. 727 and 732's are still OK for them), international routes (have you heard about monetary union?? No passport needed within EU).

With the exeption of Go (which was set up only to "kill" easyjet) the other airlines (Ryanair, Buzz, Easyjet, Virgin ex, transavia) are doing well with easyjet being the most successfull.

Before you go with your financial and airline market analysis you should buy ad read some magazines such as Flight International or Airways (
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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Fri Feb 02, 2001 8:45 pm

Ryanair are fine, but I wish they'd get rid of their 737-200s! This is the only flight I can hear leaving LBA, whichever runway is in use.
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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Fri Feb 02, 2001 9:17 pm


think you may have forgotten about a certain Freddy Laker. A Brit, with a British Airline, flying British Registered Aircraft, (indeed even some British Aircraft!)who pioneered low cost transatlantic travel against the slumbering giants of Pan AM, TWA and BA (2 out of 3 US?).

Ryanair, Go and Easyjet mostly fly out of low cost UK airports to low cost European airports. Their fleets are now becoming rationalised around 737NG's and both Easyjet and Ryanair are making good money, particulalrly on internet sales.

I am glad that all the US low cost airlines have prospered so well. So well that perhaps you can remind me where People Express fly these days?
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Basiq Air: Transavia's Newest

Fri Feb 02, 2001 9:18 pm

I had the pleasure of experiencing Transavia of Hollands new no frills off cut, BASIQ AIR. The services are operated with Travsavia 737-300 aircraft.
I flew the service from Amsterdam Schiphol to Barcelona El Prat airport on the 20th of January. The service was exceptional and the crew polite and caring.
Of course, like Easy Jet you had to pay for food and beveradges but the interesting in-flight magazine was free.
The fares were exceptionally cheap - fl 85,: one way.
The only problem I has was that the aircraft was quite old, PH-HVN, registered in the late 1980's. On touchdown at El Prat the captain applied the brakes extra hard to exit the runway at the first taxi way. Other than that, it was great.

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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Sat Feb 03, 2001 5:29 am

Ryanair is my prefferred n o frills airlines. Whoever said SW are cheaper than EZY or FR, I think you will be surprised to find that you may be wrong. Cant beat £29 (inc taxes) for PIK-STN , i believe this price is a RETURN ticket also. so without taxes that will be £4.50 for a 500 mile trip.
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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Sat Feb 03, 2001 7:25 am

LOL - Nice, Very Nice Shankly Smile....

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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Sat Feb 03, 2001 11:53 am

United States: Southwest!!!!!

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RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Sat Feb 03, 2001 3:47 pm

WESTJET!!!!!!  Big thumbs up

RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Sat Feb 03, 2001 5:29 pm

I agreed with Shankly totally that Freedie Laker is a real no-frill airline, and People Express too. Passangers paid their airfares on board, so as food. Checked baggages were charged at US$2 per piece.

RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Sat Feb 03, 2001 6:57 pm

Ryanair are probably the cheapest in most cases, provided you fly within the "Terms and Conditions" of their promotional fares.

Easyjet I have never flown, and I am flying with GO tomorrow, to Bologna. The flight I'm taking tomorrow has cost me GBP49 inclusive of taxes, fees and charges. However, it was an Internet promotion, running for a very limited period.

One thing I have noticed, is that BA have undercut GO on a number of occasions (BA World Offers fares). The cheapest fare I could get with GO to Lisbon was GBP103, whereas BA were offering me a student fare of GBP93. Not a great difference, but enough to make me elect BA for the Executive Club Air Miles.

As a student, I have found Finnair undercuts Buzz (GBP93 for LGW-HEL, GBP99 for STN-HEL with UK).

I wish the low-cost carriers here in EU great success;if the idea was indeed an American one, well then thank-you America for making air travel more accessible! What a jolly good idea you came up with!

Interesting to note some FR 738 Captains are potentially now more or less on the same payscales as BA777 flightcrew*....!

*When taking the offered share options, and including the value of other benefits.

RE: Who's The Best No Frills Airline

Sun Feb 04, 2001 3:08 am

Buzz because they fly to Helsinki

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