Ryefly
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Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 4:27 am

Here is a paragraph from Airlinersonline.com...

Midwest Express (Milwaukee) will announce by the end of March an order for either Airbus or Boeing airliners to replace their aging DC-9 fleet. A new regional jet order for Skyway Airlines is also expected at the same time.

They have alot to choose from...A318/19/20 and 717/737-600/700

CRJ or ERJ for Skyway?
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 4:37 am

I don't understand why Skyway wouldn't just continue ordering more Do328JETs. Why would they fly two different types of RJs??
 
Matt D
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 5:04 am

IMHO, the ideal ME replacement fleet would be:

Replace the 9's with 717's for the short hops.

Replace the MD-80s with A319's for their transcons.
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 5:45 am



MidEx is in a bit of a pickle with this because the 717 (and hopefully a larger, longer range version of the 717) would be the ideal plane for them, but the future of the 717 is up in the air...thus forcing them to consider Airbus, which means going to a 2-3 seat configuration which wrecks the tradition of 2-2, plus the additional costs of re-training everyon to fly airbus...

Also, Skyway wants something with greater capacity than 32 seats, and was originally the launch customer for the 428-jet, which was mothballed, thus screwing Skyway royally...MidEx dosn't want to repeat that situation with the 717 should that program go defunct.

Whatever happens, I hope it works out great! MidEx is at quite a crossroads now!

 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 5:49 am

I think ME should seriously consider the 737-800. The 738 has plenty of range for cross-country trips, and can seat a fairly good amount of people in the plane even with ME's 2-2 seating.
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 5:51 am

What was the story about 428-jet?

I thought that Fairchild Dornier had good projects down the pipeline, something that Skyway could really use well.
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 5:59 am

ME ought to go widebody (or at least 757) and go international. They exemplify my notion of what a good airline ought to have: good seats, good service, and good food. These aspects get a lot better the longer the flight gets. Thus if they went international offering just a bit more legroom plus a bit more "butt" room, they'd have a killer product. The 752 has a range of 4,500 nautical miles (probably more with extra fuel tanks and the reduced loads that ME flies).

Here is the air mileage from MKE to several locations:

London: 3404 naut. miles
Paris: 3566 naut. miles
Frankfurt: 3731 naut.miles
Oslo (popular with the Scandinavians in Wisconsin, no doubt): 3468

Tokyo is 5420 naut. miles from Milwaukee. Thus there would have to be a fuel stop in Anchorage. Anchorage is 2399 nautical miles away +3030 nautical miles to Tokyo. So there is no penalty for the fuel stop.

Midwest International... sounds cool. I know it won't happen but it's plausible.

Midwest International could code-share with AF, LH, and BD to get people to other locations.
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 6:32 am

Yeah, international would be fantastic, but it aint gonna happen for a long time. YX is having financial woes right now, and has been losing money...(check out the Yahoo board for much raging dialog about the reasons for this)...anyway, if they ever do go international, I would hope it would be a 767 2-2-2 configuration - now that would be incredible!

As for the 428, I think there just wern't enough orders...it's really too bad! I have heard great reviews of the 328 (a LOT more room than the Candairs and Embraers...) BUt so it goes!
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 7:32 am

They could opt to be the launch customer for the proposed 717-100 and -300, and then operate an all-717 fleet. If they don't do that, then they'll probably wind up ordering the 737NG or the A320.
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 7:34 am

My two cents:

Midwest Express should get 717, 737-738. Then ERJ to fill gap betwen DRJ and 717.

Also, they should consider renaming themselves--probably Midwest Airlines. "Express" connotes a commuter airline and Midex is clearly a lot more than that.

Jim
Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 7:38 am

Yeah it was a shame that the 428JET was scrapped by Fairchild Dornier, they could have had Skyway as a prominent all FAIDOR customer....

I'm sure Boeing is informing Midwest what their intentions are in regards to the 717 if the TW/AA combo. goes through. I wouldn't worry too much about the 717, there talk that Air Canada is going to order a load of them, so Boeing is probably reassuring the Midwest people.

If not, love to see Midwest go fo the 737NG family, 736 for thin cross country, 73G for most flights and 739 for heavy traffic.

Regards,
russell
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 9:39 am

I think that this is the perfect ime to lose that "little airline" look. They Are a FANTASTIC airline, that deserves some more respect. 'Express' has to go. I would go with Midwest Airways.The livery is stylish, so it should stay... but the 'Express' is out the window...

Kindest Regards,
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Ryefly
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 9:44 am

The only problem is I can see a lot of people mixing up Midwest Airlines and Midway Airlines if they made that name change.
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 9:44 am

Definately the 717, thats obvious, and if they want to do away with the -80s too, I could see them with the 737NG.
-Tom
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 11:44 am

How about a merger of Midwest Express and Midway Airlines?

They are actually compatable. Both have good service and cater to business clientel.
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 12:40 pm

This is all pure, "pie in the sky" speculation. From what they've said, they'll probably order the 717 to replace the DC-9s. The MD-80s aren't going anywhere for at least 10 years, especially since they're getting more of them. I'll also bet they can't afford new 737NGs or A320s.

They've also stated that they thought the ERJ and CRJ interiors were too cramped. I bet they're executing some of their options for more 328JETs. They've also stated that the 50 seat RJs are too close to the DC-9s in seating capacity.

Finally, there's nothing wrong with "Midwest Express." No need to change the name or the beautiful livery. It sets them apart from the Deltaflots of the world.
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 12:52 pm

I would prefer Midwest Express to order the Airbus 320-200s, or Boeing 737-700s.

These 2 are almost the same length, size, pax capacity, range, etc....

Skyway could go for the ERJ...  Smile

Baec777  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 12:56 pm

Midwest Express would LOVE the 717, IMHO - think of it - the lap of luxury in a VERY silent cabin...

It would make a great in-flight experience all that much better!
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Wed Jan 31, 2001 12:58 pm

Midwest Express should go for the 717 and perhaps buy some MD90's from American (shedding those ex-Reno's
or Delta, if it is willing to do so) to have an aircraft that
has the range to fly MKE to LAX and so forth.

The 737-600 or 737-700 is also a good choice, as is the A319.

ContinentalEWR
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2001 4:21 pm

I know Midwest Express and Skyway very well cause I have worked for them for a while. Both ME and Skyway are very strong companies even though they are having some financial difficulties right now.

I think ME is going to go with the B717 to replace their ancient DC-9's that they are flying. However I agree that the MD-80/88's they fly are going to be around for at least another 10 years. There is no way that they will get any sort of 737 or 757, although I think it would be interesting to see their paint scheme on those aircraft. The 737/757 just will not fit into their fleet considering the type of service ME provides to their customers.

Skyway is going to receive a total of 10 Do328's and they are amazing airplanes. The Do428 program was scrapped due to lack of interest from airlines. I think that Skyway will land up with the ERJ-145 because it holds more passengers than the 328's but won't compete with ME's DC-9's.

Oh yeah-there is no way that Midwest Express will change their name.
 
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RayChuang
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2001 10:15 pm

I know!

Both AA and DL have a bunch of MD90's they no longer want. How about Midwest Express buying the whole fleet for a song?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

And I do think they'll buy the 717-200 for their shorter routes.
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2001 11:15 pm

Have you all lost your collective minds?737's and A319/18's are too wide. Instead of losing just 1 seat across, with their 2-2 configuration, YX would lose 2 seats in each row with anything that has that wide of a cabin. The Boeing 717 is too expensive, and was quoted as such by Mr. Hoeksema, president of YX.The perfect replacement plane for their DC-9 fleet is sitting right under their noses, in the form of the Avro Regional Jets. The cabin is wider, but anyone can tell you that the "real" configuration of the 146 type series is 2-3, and would give YX the roomy cabin it is looking for, without excess capacity. A mix of RJ70 and RJ85's would be such a perfect fleet mix for them, given their load factors. Why hasn't anyone else suggested this?
 
Ryefly
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Sun Feb 04, 2001 12:09 am

Because the news report said they were interested in Boeing and Airbus, thats why.
 
Ryefly
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Update...

Sun Feb 04, 2001 12:13 am

From Airlinersonline.com...

AirTran Airways (Orlando and Atlanta) and Midwest Express (Milwaukee) have both stated they would be interested in acquiring the ex-TWA Boeing 717-200s (15 have been delivered by Boeing out of the 50 ordered) from American if they are successful in acquiring the TWA assets and the price is right. We may not see an AA 717.
 
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RE: Midwest Express Looks To New Aircraft

Sun Feb 04, 2001 11:34 am

I'm no longer with the company and have moved on. Great airline, great people. I would agree with the assessment that it's going to be rough going for the next few months. 4th quarter was disasterous. Pilot group is getting the finger pointed at it. I just sum it all up to a national carrier having growing pains.

As far as the fleet is concerned, the rumor mill has swayed back and forth. Before I left, the big news was that Hoeksema signed a deal for 717s and that it was all over but the crying.

Word now is that something fell through and that Airbuses will be given the nod. Don't anyone think for a new york minute that you will see a mix of types over the long term. Fleet commonality will be a key issue. The DC-910s will be the first to go--I MISS 300ME ALREADY  Sad

In chatting with some friends, the configuration on the A318/19/20 series will be 3 * 2. They will specifically avoid booking middle seats until 80% capacity. The middle seat will be a fold down desk.

Announcement will be made by the end of March. Conjecture, conjecture. But that's the latest.

Not sure about the Skyway situation other than they're going to build a new hangar and they are coughing up a lot of pilots. Twenty-some are leaving in droves while new aircraft arrive. New mins are 700/50. They are hiring!

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