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BA Choice For Regional Jets. WHo Will They Choose?

Wed Jan 31, 2001 9:51 am

British Airways is goibg to order up to 50-100 jets for its regional operations.. They´ve contacted Bombardier, Embraer, Fairchild and BAerospace..
Who´s likely to catch this order???

Fairchild is far from it in my views. BAE isn´t on top either.. Frankly Bombardier will have to offer very good conditions for BA to withdraw from Embraer...

I don´t know!!! What do you think????
 
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RE: BA Choice For Regional Jets. WHo Will They Choose?

Wed Jan 31, 2001 10:09 am

Actually I think Bombardier will get the contract, but that may be hometown bias  Innocent

However in my opinion, Bombardier produces the best regional aircraft, and the CRJ series cannot be beat!
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RE: BA Choice For Regional Jets. WHo Will They Choose?

Wed Jan 31, 2001 11:12 am

Ditto on AC320's post. Bombardier all the way.

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RE: BA Choice For Regional Jets. WHo Will They Choose?

Wed Jan 31, 2001 11:46 am

However, there has been much complaints about the not-roomy interiors on Bombardier CRJ's. The Embraer ERJ's have more comfortable passenger accommodations and don't be surprised that BA will order the ERJ-145 for their regional flights.
 
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RE: BA Choice For Regional Jets. WHo Will They Cho

Wed Jan 31, 2001 2:45 pm

Remember the jets were in the 70-110 seat category. These are the aircraft in that category from the manufactureres:

BAe: RJX-70, RJX-85, RJX-100

Bombardier: CRJ700, CRJ900

Embraer: ERJ-170, ERJ-190

Fairchild: 728JET, 928JET

All feature cabins usually configured with 5 abreast, and underfloor freight, except for the CRJ which is 4 abreast, and cargo behind the passanger compartment. The RJXs offer STOL capabilities. The Embraers will likely be the cheapest, while the Fairchilds look to be quite advanced. All in all, it will be a complex decision for BA, but I think they will make the right decision.
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RE: BA Choice For Regional Jets. WHo Will They Choose?

Wed Jan 31, 2001 4:50 pm

It may boil down to when BA wants their aircraft. Bombardier has quite a large backlog of orders- I think Embraer and Dornier could deliver their current designs faster. However, if they want greater than 50 seat capacity, the CRJ-700 should begin delivery to the launch customers later this year and the Avro is already that big. The ERJ-170 will not be ready for delivery until next year and the Do428 is DOA. Myself, I'm biased towards the CRJ (hence the username). Should BA decide (and rightfully so) to "buy British" the Avro is the obvious choice. It should be interesting.
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RE: BA Choice For Regional Jets. WHo Will They Choose?

Wed Jan 31, 2001 10:31 pm

I stand corrected. Embarrassment

Now, if BA is interested in a 70-100 seat regional jet, they would be best off with the well-tried Avro RJ-85. After all, it is based on the familiar BAe 146 design and the plane can take off and land on shorter runways pretty easily. I've flown the BAe 146 and it is a pretty roomy plane.
 
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RE: BA Choice For Regional Jets. WHo Will They Choose?

Wed Jan 31, 2001 10:42 pm

is the 717 too big for them?
sorry i dont have a clue about its passenger numbers.
 
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RE: BA Choice For Regional Jets. WHo Will They Choose?

Wed Jan 31, 2001 11:23 pm

I say they go for the CRJ, but again that's pro-Canadian bias Big grin Also, to me ERJ's seem like toys. From a side angle especially, it's because of their minature wings I guess.... Still, I say the Brits by the CRJ and support the colonies, eh?

 
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RE: BA Choice For Regional Jets. WHo Will They Choose?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 6:18 am

is this order for them or for cityflyer and BRAL and airlines like that because theseare the airlines that operate theses type of aircraft. I think that they should go with embraer as Brymon and BRAL both operate this. They should try and buy both BRAL and Maersk Air UK. Then they can order all the embraer aircraft from EMB-137 to EMB-190. This can then replace all the propeller aircraft. Also the A318 should be ordered more so they can replace the 146 and RJ100 so they can have fleet comminality with the rest of BA's airbuses.
 
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RE: BA Choice For Regional Jets. WHo Will They Choose?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 8:00 am

Considering that Brits tend to view Canadians as a "lower form of life," I'd say Bombardier is out of the running.  Big grin
The Avro RJX is the obvious choice for buying British, but it fails to suit their needs. It's designed for STOL, and guzzles more gas with its 4 engines than the others do with their two.
Embraer is the cheapest, but probably not the most technically advanced. There would be full commonality, though.
Fairchild has the 328JET, 528JET, 728JET, and 928JET all out or coming out. These give excellent commonality, and will be extremely advanced, but won't be available for some time yet. If BA's in no particular hurry, this is the best choice.
Don't rule out Boeing, however, as a serious look at the B717-100 by BA just might convince them to talk launch.

And the winner? Probably Fairchild or Embraer. Depends how quickly they want the product.
 
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RE: BA Choice For Regional Jets. WHo Will They Choose?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 11:49 am

I believe one of the British Airways "franchise airlines" is already flying the Embraer ERJ-145.

I wonder will the Rolls-Royce BRJ-710/715 series jet engine will fit on the ERJ-170/190 series. If it does then I think BA should get the ERJ-170/190.

The situation with Fairchild Dornier is still an unknown because of the bad blood caused by the cancellation of the 428JET.
 
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RE: BA Choice For Regional Jets. WHo Will They Choose?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 12:03 pm

I know of several engineers that have complained of poor build quality on the Embraer ERJ-145 aircraft once you start removing panels for inspection of the aircraft's inner details. No such issues on the CRJ. BTW BA franchisee's are flying both types so a qualitive comparison can be made very easily. Also, now that the WTO has given Canada the nod on taking action against Brazil for not complying with WTO rulings on unfair subsidies, you can be sure Bombardier will sweeten the deal for BA. I think they should go CRX (more hometown bias!!) but who knows. On a subjective note, the ERJ-145 is an extremly ugly machine especially around the rear of the airframe and the vertical stabilizer. The CRJ just looks right!
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RE: BA Choice For Regional Jets. WHo Will They Choose?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 12:05 pm

The Brasilian jet is far superior in "many" respects.......especially the financial ones.