Timbo
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Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 11:11 am

Has a 777 ever crashed with passengers on it? If so, which airline was using the airplane and why did it crash?

-Tim
 
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 11:15 am

No! Not that I am aware of.......However an 777 engine exploded yesterday.
 
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 11:17 am

no 777 has ever crashed to this date, and let's hope not, EVER!!!!
 
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 11:18 am

NO! the 777 has never killed a passenger.
 
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 11:19 am

Nope. Thank goodness for that too!
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 11:26 am

Ok, thanks! What's this about a 777 engine exploding?!?
 
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 11:32 am

Here's an excerpt of what actually happened:


A BROKEN fan blade may have caused a jet engine explosion which left passengers fearing for their lives in a near-catastrophe at Melbourne Airport.

Barry Sargant, of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, said today initial examinations indicated a fan blade may have failed and passed through into the engine causing mechanical damage.

Passengers have told of their terror after the engine of the giant Boeing 777-300 disintegrated on take-off.

The airport's main runway was strewn with debris after the drama last night.

Parts of the engine of the Emirates airliner, carrying 213 passengers, disintegrated as it accelerated down the runway and was a few seconds from leaving the ground.

The Emirates airliner, carrying a full load of fuel, was travelling at 50 knots (70kmh) when the pilot aborted the take-off after smoke started pouring from one of its two engines.

Passengers today told how they feared for their lives when smoke filled the cabin, and said they saw flames shoot out of the engine as it moved along the runway.

Welsh couple Tony and Margaret Hughes told the Herald Sun they heard a loud explosion.

"I thought to myself 'Oh my god, that's it'," Mr Hughes said.

"I was thinking 'Stop the plane, I want to get off'."

Mrs Hughes said she first thought a tyre had burst.

"We heard a bang, a very loud shudder," she said.

"We knew straight away that something was wrong. We were very frightened but we just didn't know how serious it was.

"The plane was just starting to accelerate. We didn't actually take off but it was getting ready to do that," she said.

Muriel Leadbeater, of Manchester in England, said she was shaken for several hours after the terrifying ordeal.

"It frightened us all to death," she said. "The plane was swerving from side to side and I just didn't know what was going on."

Her daughter, Cynthia Lees, said the drama brought home the risk of air travel.

"It was quite frightening. There aren't too many emergencies on planes, so you sort of think that nothing can happen," she said.

British passenger Joanne Hume told Channel Nine she panicked as the aircraft came to a halt.

"The flames were still coming out of the aircraft. It was an absolutely terrifying experience," Ms Hume said.

The Emirates airlines flight EK69 bound for Singapore pulled up about a third of the way down the north-south runway as its engine's rotors splintered and debris spewed over the ground.

Despite reports of sparks flying from the engine, the airline said there was no fire.

Airport fire crews rushed to the main north-south runway as the pilot reported the emergency.

The Civil Aviation Safety Authority confirmed the incident had closed the runway to all incoming flights, which had to be diverted on to the smaller east-west runway.

The Boeing 777-300, one of the largest passenger aircraft flying, sat on the Tarmac for about 15 minutes until it slowly taxied back to the main terminal.

Passengers were shaken but there were no reports of injury, according to Melbourne Airport management.

"It was starting its take-off, the pilot had throttled up, when he noticed the problem," said the airport's corporate affairs manager Geoffrey Conaghan.

Airport staff and fire crews worked for more than two hours to clear the north-south runway while other flights were diverted to the other strip.

An incoming Singapore Airlines flight from Singapore had to circle the airport for more than 30 minutes while the other runway was prepared.

Early this morning Emirates confirmed the flight crew had aborted the take-off due to the engine problem.

"The problem with the engine, a Rolls Royce Trent 800 series, is currently being investigated by Emirates and Rolls Royce officials," an airline statement said.

The airline said the Boeing's fire-warning system was not activated.

"There were, however, momentary sparks and some smoke from the engine which may have been interpreted as a fire by some passengers," the statement said.

Passengers were assisted back at the airport terminal by Emirates staff as the damaged plane was unloaded and inspected by airline engineers.

Mr Sargant said Emirates was now expected to assist ATSB with an investigation into the cause of the incident.

Officers will examine the flight data recorder and engine manufacturers Rolls Royce will inspect the engine.

 
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 11:35 am

The Airbus A330, Airbus A340 & the Boeing 777 all have immaculate safety records.

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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 11:58 am

Interesting article Airbus A380. I'm glad no one got hurt.
 
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 12:09 pm

An A330 did crash a few years ago, during a test flight at Airbus, killing all (7?) on board. The aircraft was originally slated for delivery to Thai International.

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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 1:12 pm

It was a 340 and there were 3 i think onbord and were all airbus personal
 
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 1:33 pm

The 777 (and the large airbuses) do have a great safety record. Lets hope it stays that way for a long time. The worst incident I heard of on the 777 was a pressurization problem during the testing/certification phase. I think they were testing the ram air turbine (not sure if that is the proper name, but the turbine used to power controls and emergency equipment in the event of a total power outage in flight.) Somehow during the test the plane depressureized, and injured some Boeing employees.

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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 1:51 pm

Nope. Never.

Anyway the B 777 is quite new still!

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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 4:09 pm

No.I hope not.I really enjoyed my 777-300 flight SIN-SEL and back and hope the 777 will keep its immaculate safety records.The Airbus crash was an A330.All on board died(7 i think).

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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 5:43 pm

B777 and A340 never had a deadly accident. The A340 being 3 years older than the 777 is having a really impressive safety record. I hope both will keep it that way.
But this is not the ideal world. For example: The Boeing 747-400 is a very safe aircraft, but 3 have been lost in circumstances that have nothing to do with the type of airplane (2 in storms, 1 due to pilot error). Something like that will also happen to a 777 one day. If not, its nothing but a wonder.
 
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 6:12 pm

I dont know how many of you remember but late last year a MH772 (also powered with RR engines) took off from Perth enroute to KL when its left RR engine exploded. Returned to Perth and engine change occured. (A new 777 engine arrived the next day on a MAS 747 freighter.)

I get the feeling that RR777 engines dont like Australia!

Regards
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 8:09 pm

Yes, it was an A330 that crashed back in `94, it was being flown by the chief Airbus pilot, Nick Warner, i think his name was, apparently, he was testing the aircraft`s stalling limits, or something like that, and, if my memory serves me correctly, i think he had throttled back on one engine, perhaps somebody else might know more about this. Anyway , the altitude was not high enough for the aircraft to recover, and obviously the consequences were fatal. I think he was also commanded an A340 flight back in `92, or `93, that flew nonstop from Paris to New Zealand, which at the time was the longest non-stop flight by a commercial airliner. Quite ironically, a Qantas 747 radioed him during the flight and asked what he was doing, and when they got their answer, the Aussie pilot told them they`d never do it, and, just as they recieved that comment, they in fact just did break the record, so, Warner quite proudly replied
" we just did"  Smile
 
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 8:19 pm

Airbus A330 has only one fatal crash.
June 30, 1994.
It was a A330-321. Test flight. Fatalities: 7
The aircraft crashed during a flight test in which the crew was simulating an engine failure on takeoff. Pilor error, misunderstanding of auto-flight systems.
(source: Airdisaster.com)
Airbus A340 never had a fatal accident.
Only at January 20, 1994 the F-GNIA aircraft was destroyed by fire while on the ground at Charles de Gualle Airport, Paris, France
 
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 9:15 pm

Hmmmm. Have a look at this:
http://www.airdisaster.com/movies/movies.html

Now, the plane here is an A320. It crashed at an airshow while showing off it's staaling techniques to journalists and reporters who were all onboard. As the pilot was to pull the nose up, the computer in the aircraft wouldn't allow him to do so. The plane therefore continued into the forest.

I don,t know if this is the incident you are talking about, but if it isn't then we are talking about to VERY simmilar episodes.

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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 10:08 pm

Thomas
The subject has been discussed many times here. The fact is that in the case of the A320 crash you mentioned, the pilot went too low with too little throttle. When he tried to gain altitude, he simply did not have the speed or the power immidiatelly available.
Let's don't start again the "Unsafe Airbus FBW System".
You say "As the pilot was to pull the nose up, the computer in the aircraft wouldn't allow him to do so". If the airplane allowed the nose-up then a stall would have occured. Lets stop this now.
 
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RE: Ovelix

Thu Feb 01, 2001 11:15 pm

* I was not aware of the fact that this matter had been discussed earlier.

* I'm not trying to point out that airbus' safety on their planes are bad

* Yes the plane would have stalled had the pilot pulled the nose up, but according to the Discovery Channel's "Flight Deck", this accident happened because the computer understood the pilots actions as a landing.

* Simmilar faults was not found on other A320s so the safety of the aircraft was not questioned seriously after the crash.

* I posted my post to find out if the accident with an A330 was infact the A320 crash, not to start an arguement on Airbus' safety.

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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 11:38 pm

The A320 and A330 incidents described earlier were completely seperate.

Regardless of whether there was something wrong with the A320 itself in the accident in Habsheim, (I don't want to get a heated arguement going over the issue), the main cause for the accident was the stupidity of Air France (and maybe Airbus) of ordering a new plane loaded with passengers and fuel to do a stupid fly-by. The captain was also stupid for not telling his boss, "I don't want to do it. The plane is built to load people, take off, travel to destination, and land. Fly-bys are an unnecessary added risk factor, for which the plane and its FBW is not designed."

In fact, they had to switch off parts of the FBW controls in order to perform the fly-by, effectively lobotomizing the system.

The 777 and A330/340 series have so far an excellent record. I have nothing against the 777, and the only beef I have with the A330/340 planes is the fact that the fusalage curvature is such that you have to be something of a contortionist to take a piss in the bathroom, even if you're only 5'9 like me.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Thu Feb 01, 2001 11:55 pm

lol Cfalk.  Big thumbs up

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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 5:19 am

Recent 777 Incident was the Saudi Hijacking from a few months ago....no damage or loss of life thankfully!  Smile

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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 5:31 am

Gregg,

The 777 in question suffered a failure in a pressurisation valve in the pack in the aircraft's belly. They lost all cabin pressure very quickly. There were a number of flight test engineers injured. Boeing had it's vendor re-design the part before the 777 went into revenue service.
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 6:13 am

The A340 may be 3 years older than the 777, but there have been 316 777's delivered vs. 190 A340's. So I'd expect that the total number of flight hours are similar for both planes in achieving their equally impressive safety records.

You'd have to wonder more about whether that particular engine design is safe if it's had two similar failures. Or if there are some issues with third-party components.

 
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 8:33 am

ScottB,

Actually, although the incidents appear similar, they have entirely different causes.

As already described, the recent Emirates failure occured when a fan blade seperated with the engine at near full power. As the blade went through the engine, it caused the damage described.

As for the MAS incident, it was because a MAS techinician who had serviced the engine had improperly replaced an O-ring, causing an oil leak that went unnoticed on the ground. When the aircraft took off, the on-board computers immediately alerted the pilots to a potential problem and they shut the engine down, and returned to the airport (I don't believe the engine "blew up"). Needless to say, however, running the engine on very low oil pretty much burned it to smitherins, and it had to be replaced.

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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 8:44 am

I also believe that the B757 has never crashed. The only fatal 757 accident was when another plane crashed into one in Asia (a 737 I think), during an emergency landing. The 757 was awaiting take-off clearance.
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 9:00 am

AA 757 crashed into a mountainside in South America (Cali?).

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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 11:21 am

Actually, several 757s have crashed (though still a very low number when one considers that nearly 1000 have been delivered):

American Airlines, near Cali, Colombia. Plane crashed into mountain during approach - pilot disoriented.

AeroPeru, near Lima (?). I don't recall the cause.

Birgenair, after takeoff from Santo Domingo, Domican Republic. Poor maintenance blamed.

Britannia, Spain. Crashed in severe thunderstorm.

All told, however, the 757 is an extremely safe aircraft.
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 2:16 pm

AeroPeru 757 was caused by the mechanics forgetting to remove the covers from the static vents, and the pilots forgetting to do a proper walk-around, resulting in the flight instruments forgetting to tell the pilots where they were and what they were doing.

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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 2:47 pm

A 737NG has never crashed
 
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 5:25 pm

Must be worth mentioning that the first 747-400 crash was when SIA drove theirs into a building site.
 
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RE: Has A 777 Ever Crashed?

Sat Feb 03, 2001 12:25 am

No B777 has ever crashed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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