May Be AA Will Abandon The 717

Mon Feb 05, 2001 4:20 am

Why?check this report from

Two airlines have inquired about 35 106-seater Boeing 717 jetliners on order from troubled Trans World Airlines Inc. which may come back on the market if a proposed merger with American Airlines parent AMR Corp. goes ahead.

AirTran Holdings Inc., which like TWA ordered 50 of the airplanes, and Midwest Express Holdings Inc. have said they might snap up TWA's 717s, which could be available at attractive prices.

Boeing has already delivered 15 717s to TWA and about 30 to AirTran.

By April Midwest Express will decide on USD$1 billion worth of new orders for 20 100-seat jets to replace DC-9s and MD-80s at its main airline plus 20 regional jets for its Skyway Airlines unit, which had planned to buy the discontinued 44-seat Fairchild Dornier 428JET.

Spokeswoman Lisa Bailey said Midwest Express was considering the 717 and a competing model, the A318, from Boeing rival Airbus Industrie.

"The 717s have availability in mid-2002 and the A318 in 2003," she said, noting the airline had enough fleet flexibility to go with either model.

AMR has not yet decided the fate of the 35 undelivered TWA 717s. If it abandons them, it could spell an opportunity for Midwest Express.

Aside from the TWA and AirTran deals, which were reportedly done at big discounts from the current list price of USD$35 million per plane, Boeing has secured only 53 more orders with leasing companies and small airlines.

I don't care if AA abandoned 717 or not, just don't get the 318s. (Don't u guys think is strange that AA got tons of 738 in the future then another load of 318 joining AA's fleet?)

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RE: May Be AA Will Abandon The 717

Mon Feb 05, 2001 5:47 am

SAS operates 736's and will be operating A321's and I believe that one Chinese airline also has A320's and a few 737NG's on order. However, given AA's exclusive fleet renewal contract with Boeing, a silver A318 will never happen.
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RE: May Be AA Will Abandon The 717

Mon Feb 05, 2001 5:52 am

I agree, we will never see a A318 in American livery.
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RE: May Be AA Will Abandon The 717

Mon Feb 05, 2001 7:47 am

I think the 717 would be a great replacement for aa's aging fleet of F100's
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AA's F100's

Mon Feb 05, 2001 8:06 am

Everyone seems to think that the 717 would be a great replacement for AA's F100's except for AA.

Apparently, they must be as sentimental to American as that one pair of old underwear are to us men. Let 'em keep the old things if they want. I guess they really mean that much to them.
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RE: May Be AA Will Abandon The 717

Mon Feb 05, 2001 8:22 am

I also agree that Boeing 717-200 can replace these Fokker 100 planes, so... why not the A318 as well...??

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RE: May Be AA Will Abandon The 717

Mon Feb 05, 2001 8:39 am

What AA is going for is to eliminate their fleet types down to 3. They are going to have the 737, 757/767 and the 777. They will probably get the 736 to replace the F100s, 73Gs to replace the MD-80's and of course continue getting 738's to replace teh 727.
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RE: May Be AA Will Abandon The 717

Mon Feb 05, 2001 8:57 am

Why not the 318? Because the 318 is for long, thin routes. Not the short, thin routes that the F100 currently flies and the 717 is designed for.
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My Plan Makes Sense

Mon Feb 05, 2001 12:22 pm

Okay, here is a plan that I have been pushing for awhile, I really think it would work.

AA is what I am talking about, of course.

The 738 would continue to replace the 722 fleet, that's sensible. BUT here is where I differ from AA:

I think that they SHOULD definitely replace the F100 with the 712. But, I think that an even better idea is to replace the MD-80s with The 717-300. They could launch the plane. IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE TO ME. The 717 is so cheap to fly. AND the 717 is just a newer version of the MD-80.

AND the 717 is quite a bit cheaper that a 737.

That's what I think they should do.

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No Kidding!

Mon Feb 05, 2001 12:57 pm

AA has three 100-seat aircraft, and none of them is what they need! What they need are some shiny new 737-500 and 600 aircraft. Fleet commonality helps out in the spare parts department and with pilot and mechanic familiarity (just ask CO and WN). Hey, I hear Continental is going to phase out their 500's. Maybe a trade can be worked...
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KLM/AA And Everyone Else

Fri Feb 09, 2001 8:00 pm

With the old fokker 70's and 100's comming of age along with the thousands of MMD-80's and DC-9's and 737's I think it's time for the airlines to make some serious decisions on new short haul 100 passenger jets. The 717 is a mystery to me and seems to be a question on a lot of peoples minds that nobody is able to answer. It seems to be the ideal repalcement, smaller and more economical then the 737's but large enough to serve the smaller markets with jet service. Everyone is talking about the 737 and 318 as ideal replacements but are they may be too much for the routes that currently use the older F 70/100 and MD's. And what about the BAE146, CRJ's or EMB's as replacements.

I'm anxious to see what the decision will be and if anyone has any ideas or insight please let me know. I think this is a much more relevant topic to current airline operations then the super jumbos that will pop out later this decade and very few and far between.

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