michigan4life
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Continental 777's

Tue Feb 06, 2001 4:56 am

Hi, this is for the Continenta; "Buffs" out there. Will Continental once again be offering their 777 service between EWR and IAH anytime?
 
CoAir@IAH
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RE: Continental 777's

Tue Feb 06, 2001 5:14 am

I don't think that is going to offered anymore.
The only reason CoAir ever did the LAX-IAH-EWR and MCO-EWR runs with the 777 was to train the international flight crews for the 777. I would look for them to add more of the 764's and 762's as they become available.

--CoAir@IAH
 
ishky15
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RE: Continental 777's

Tue Feb 06, 2001 5:19 am

Correction, CoAIR@IAH: Continental will begin using a 777-200 on the EWR-IAH route as flight 205, and the return as flight 62, which continues onto Madrid as a DC-10. I really don't know much about this route, but with the addition of this there will be 4 daily widebody flights between Newark and Houston and v.v.(2 DC-10s, a 767-200, and a 777). More widebody flights will be operated domestically in the fuuture.
 
michigan4life
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RE: Continental 777's

Tue Feb 06, 2001 6:35 am

Ishky, do you know when the service will start???
 
ishky15
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RE: Continental 777's

Tue Feb 06, 2001 7:10 am

March 2nd, I believe. I'm not sure how long it will last though.
 
akelley728
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RE: Continental 777's

Tue Feb 06, 2001 12:13 pm

I just checked COs schedule and it definately starts March 2nd, and goes through at least the first part of April.

I fly through IAH (from EWR) all the time - I'm looking forward to a 777 being on that route in the near future!
 
ContinentalEWR
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RE: Continental 777's

Tue Feb 06, 2001 12:16 pm

The Newark-Madrid route switches to a 767-400 this spring though.

The Newark-Hong Kong route might create the need
to add a 777 on the many IAH-EWR frequencies to
reposition aircraft.

Over the summer, I would expect to see at least one
777 flying between the two hubs and several more
767's. In years past, at least 3 flights were operated
by DC10's ferrying pax to CO flights to Europe out of
Newark.

ContinentalEWR
 
toxtethogrady
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CO Needs More Widebodies...

Tue Feb 06, 2001 1:35 pm

You guys have to tell me who has these advance schedules. CO hasn't issued press releases about some of their summer changes yet (although they usually let the word out in March).

Given the number of flights CO has to Mexico, I'm surprised their service to Madrid isn't single-plane to Houston instead of change-of-plane in New York. Wait till next year, I guess...
 
cba
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RE: CO Needs More Widebodies...

Tue Feb 06, 2001 1:52 pm

IAH will get the European service we deserve once Terminal E is built. Then IAH will be a world class airport. I have heard that Madrid, Rome, and Frankfurt are looking to be the first new European flights from IAH. The IAH-MAD flight would be really succesful because of Latin American connections. Plus Houston is practically bilingual. Although, I think CO could make an IAH-AMS flight work, as there are a lot of people from the oil business going to AMS from Houston.

Toxtethogrady, download Continenta's Electronic Timetable from their website. Just do a search for "Timetable".
 
toxtethogrady
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Thanks Cba

Tue Feb 06, 2001 1:57 pm

I'll give it a shot...

It would be interesting to see how far in advance they go...
 
Alpha 1
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RE: Continental 777's

Wed Feb 07, 2001 1:26 pm

Like COAir@IAH said, those are strictly training runs for pilots going to that ship. Very seldom does a plane run on a route for only a month or so. The permanent aircraft on those routes are not and probably will never be a Triple 7.
 
cba
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Toxtethogrady

Wed Feb 07, 2001 1:42 pm

Continental updates the timetable monthly. You can download the update through the program.
 
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RE: Continental 777's

Wed Feb 07, 2001 1:48 pm

(Speaking of IAH as a world class airport) Not sure if anyone saw CO's presentation yesterday at the conference, but by 2005 CO expects to have over 3 thousand daily flights, that's a 1,000 more than they have right now! I saw it on the Yahoo! CAL board, I'll look up the URL.

Peace,
COexERJ
 
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RE: Continental 777's

Wed Feb 07, 2001 4:17 pm

A couple of CO's interesting short-range plans from the Goldman Sachs conference:

MARKET DRIVEN FLEET PLAN

TOTAL JET AIRCRAFT

-------2000----2001----2002----2003----2004----2005
MIN.....371.....389.....402.....385.....374.....365
MAX.....371.....390.....428.....472.....512.....530
types...5.......5.......5.......4.......4........3

MINIMUM = COMMITTED FLEET LESS LEASE EXPIRATIONS

MAXIMUM = COMMITTED FLEET AND ALL OPTIONS ARE EXERCISED GOAL


CO's Low Risk High Return Opportunites:

GOALS-------------------------today-----2005------Annual Pre-Tax Benefit

DIST. COST % OF REVENUE.......13.9%......7-10%............$275 MILLION

LOW RISK GROWTH...............2,455......3,400............$175 MILLION
(DAILY DEPARTURES)

FLEET TYPES...................5...........3...............$125 MILLION

ALLIANCE PARTNERS.............19..........20..............$100 MILLION

BUSINESS MIX..................47.2%.......50-55%..........$100 MILLION
====================================================total $775 MILLION


**Note: CO hopes to reach 3,400 daily departures by 2005...who knows what markets CO will tap in the next 4 years! Also note CO hopes to retire 2 types (DC-10 and MD-80) by 2005. And curiously, only one alliance is forecast for the next 4 years! One can only guess who this might be, but I'd be willing to bet on KLM. Maybe the "Wings" Alliance will form after all.

Peace,
COexERJ
 
akelley728
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RE: Continental 777's

Thu Feb 08, 2001 12:30 am

Woah! Continental expects to have all MD-80s retired by 2004? That's pretty aggressive!
 
ScottB
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RE: Continental 777's

Thu Feb 08, 2001 3:23 am

I suspect that under the "maximum" scheme, there would still be a substantial number of MD-80's in the fleet. After all, at the end of 2005, they'd still have over 30 that would be under 20 years old, and the entire type would still be under 25. If the market opportunities are there, and if the flying can be done with what CO considers an acceptable margin (and if they don't decide that they can operate more efficiently with additional 737-700 and -800 aircraft), then the Mad Dogs will still be around for a few extra years.

That said, they only have 66 left, and retiring 15-20 narrowbodies (and pretty diverse group of 'em, coming from New York Air, Republic, Hawaiian, Muse Air/TranStar, Alaska - judging from past registrations) isn't that big of a deal with all the new 737's they're buying.
 
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RE: Continental 777's

Thu Feb 08, 2001 6:42 am

I have heard that Continental has plans to serve nearly 3000 daily flights by 2003. Most of this will be accomplished through the deliveries of the ERJ's, of which about 170 or so remain, with many new cities being offered. We just announced service to Asheville, NC, and Zacatecas, MX, yesterday, both of which were expected. Be on the lookout for new transborder flights with the ERJ from Cleveland. A few more things on the way are new services to the West Coast from IAH with the 145XR, to smaller markets. The ERJ-145XR gives us incredible flexibility, since it can reach to Florida from EWR, Colorado and almost all the East Coast from CLE, and either coast from IAH, as well as deep into Latin America. Another order of 777s and/or 767s are in the works, and some rumors of the 767-300 have bounced around, but none with any evidence. We are gearing up for a big growth spurt, and hopefully my salary will reflect that!  Wink/being sarcastic
 
ishky15
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RE: Continental 777's

Thu Feb 08, 2001 7:17 am

That's great that Continental will be ordering more widebodies, the 767-300 would be very nice in Continental colors. I'm hoping for an order of 12 more 777s for a total of 30, eleven more 767-400s for a total of 35, and 9 more 767-200s for a total of 20. I'd also like to see new service to Brazil from Houston and Newark as well as the return of Santiago. A flight to Osaka would be nice from Newark, as there are already more than a dozen flights from the Midwest and Pacific to Osaka but none from the East Coast.
 
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Speaking Of CO Widebodys...

Thu Feb 08, 2001 8:16 am

For what it's worth, Ship 155, a 762, is suppose to be arriving IAH as CO9972 from Everett around 1830hrs CST. A second 762, and a 764 should be inhouse before the end of the month.
Working very hard to Fly Right....
 
desertjets
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CO's Expansion

Thu Feb 08, 2001 8:36 am

With the addition of approx 150 mainline aircraft, the numbers in the projections don't seem to include express which 777gk stated has about 150 ERJs on order, it would seem that some of these new flights will not be confined exclusively to IAH, CLE, EWR. As it goes right now Newark is more or less full, and even once the runways and terminal projects are done at Houston and the runways at Cleveland are done I have a hard time believing that those two can fully absorb 1,000 flights. So it begs the question, where are they going to go? Presumably some more will go to LGA. Perhaps a 4th hub or another large RJ expansion like the one at LaGuardia???? With nearly 300 aircraft at maximum growth coming online between mainline and express you gotta wonder.....

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ishky15
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RE: CO's Expansion

Thu Feb 08, 2001 9:20 am

I noticed that, too, DesertJets. Continental needs to open up a 4th hub in order to accomodate 1000 new flights. RJs would most likely be the main aircraft as they have many of them being delivered. Perhaps they could open up a RJ hub in San Juan, Los Angeles, New Orleans, or San Diego, as all of these cities are quite underserved by a largely dominant carrier. If it wasn't for the congestion fo LaGuardia, many of those 1,000 new flights would be going there. It looks like now Continental will be limited to serving Buffalo, Houston, Madison, Richmond, Orlando, Cleveland, Grand Rapids, and Fort Lauderdale out of LGA.
 
krisair747
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RE: Continental 777's

Thu Feb 08, 2001 9:26 am

flight 205 will be a 777 as of march 2nd!
Open your heart and push the limits
 
cba
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RE: Continental 777's

Thu Feb 08, 2001 12:39 pm

The best hub for CO right now would be ONT. It was just redone, and will become the gem of southern California as LAX becomes congested. SNA can't really expand because of restrictions in the area.
 
ishky15
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RE: Continental 777's

Fri Feb 09, 2001 4:09 am

I agree with Cba. Maybe Continental Express could open up sveral minihubs on the West Coast or serve a bunch of point to point routes. The ERJ-145X can probably fly all the way rom San Dieg to Seattle, allowing any city pair from California through Orgeon and Washington.

Continental itself will be commencing a huge transatlantic expansion from Newark over the next five years. Obvious canidates are Munich, Barcelona, Nice, Athens, Berlin, Moscow, and Istanbul.
 
michigan4life
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RE: Continental 777's

Fri Feb 09, 2001 11:24 am

I really can't wait for Continental's transatlantic boost to occur. They have a solid operation and have an extremely promising outlook.
 
toxtethogrady
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Blue Skies,nothing But Blue Skies...

Fri Feb 09, 2001 12:29 pm

Cba, I downloaded the timetable, so now I'm busy exploring...

For some reason I thought Continental was up to 21 cities in Mexico, so I was surprised to hear Zacatecas was 20.

If the 145XR is as long-range as advertised, then the following cities should get service from IAH:
BUF, MSN, GRR, MBS, BOI, LEX, BFD, FAT...(I'll let you look up the three-letter codes). I'm also surprised the RJ's aren't flying to WalMart (er, Fayetteville, AK) and Branson (Springfield, MO). I could also name a half-dozen cities in Florida that CO could reach.

I suppose the Houston hub will be maxed out when the first 777's from IAH land in Jeddah and Bombay...
 
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RE: Continental 777's

Fri Feb 09, 2001 2:06 pm

Toxtethogrady,

CO would have been up to 21, but COex with drew from HMO (Hemosillo) at least, I think they did....
 
cba
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RE: Blue Skies,nothing But Blue Skies...

Fri Feb 09, 2001 2:08 pm

I think Bombay is a little out of reach from IAH, but a flight from EWR could work.

Ishky15, the current ERJ-145 could make LAX-SEA easily, as the route is about 800nm. CO should open up a CoEx hub in ONT, followed by some mainline service to larger cities. They could even include shuttle flights from SNA and LAX. Once they can generate a large amount of feed, they could launch a ONT-NRT flight.

Toxtethogrady, all of the current routes you listed can already be served by the ERJ-145LR. Or is the LR the ERJ-145XR you all are talking about?
 
ishky15
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RE: Blue Skies,nothing But Blue Skies...

Fri Feb 09, 2001 8:00 pm

I'm so excited about the ERJ-145X!! Continental will make thousands flying these little baies on routes wheere other airlines are flying half filled narrow and wide bodies. I've been looking forward to service from Upstate New York to Houston for quite some time! Right now the main gateways to Upstate NY are Chicago, Balitmore, Atlanta, Newark, Boson, Philly, and Pittsburgh. Houston-Buffalo will be great!!!