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Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 9:08 am

Denver Int'l (DEN) is one of the fastest growing major airports in the U.S. Several airlines have plans to come in with in the next 5 years. Lufthansa is to start a daily non-stop flight from Frankfurt (FRA) to Denver (DEN) on an Airbus A340-300 starting on March 25. Midway Airlines is to start TWO daily non-stop service from Raleigh-Durham to Denver on a Boeing 737-700. United is building a 36 gate commuter terminal which will be completed between 2003-2004 for the commuter flights. Also, there are plans to expand Concourse A for Frontier Airlines, and there are plans to expand Concourse B for United before 2005. Also, later on, there are plans for a Concourse D! Currently they are buliding a 16,000 ft. runway which will be completed by the end of this year.
Air France is interested in starting a daily non-stop service with in 2-3 years. Japan Airlines is planning on starting service from Tokyo to Denver with in 2 years after the new 16,000 ft. runways is completed. United Airlines is hoping to add a daily non-stop flight from Denver to London Heathrow, within 2-3 years. They've been wanting this flight for quite a while, but there are issues about flights between the U.S. and the UK. United will be adding a seasonal flight from Denver to Frankfurt starting this summer on a Boeing 777-200, and later on plans to make a non-stop daily flight with Lufthansa's flight! Air Canada has recently added non-stop flights to Montreal and Vancouver, and plans to add many more flights with in the next few years.
I'm not sure if this is true, but did I hear that Air Jamaica is starting service in June? Can someone update me on this? If so, then great! Denver Int'l (DEN) is currently the 10th busiest airport in the world, and with-in a few years will probably become the 9th and maybe even the 8th!

Kind regards to all.

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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 9:40 am

I don't see why build a Concourse D when A can be expanded by another 50 gates, B can be expanded by up to 30, and C can be expanded by up to 60... who knows what DIA has up their sleeve.

I highly doubt the 16,000ft runway will be completed my the end of the year, they've a whole lot of earth moving to do before they even start construction.

I've heard the Air Jamacia flight will now just be a codeshare.

The UA London flight will happen if the merger happens, and it will be to Gatwick (not Heathrow).

Far in the future, we'll see jetBlue, Air France, and JAL, but no time soon.

Also, if the AA/TWA merger happens, we're going to see AA flights from such places as PHL due to UA and AA signing a deal for providing competition on hub routes.

I've heard that Delta may begin B767-400 service here this year, possibily a ATL-DEN-SLC-LAX-ATL flight.

Seems the Jetanywair plan is dead... (they were a planned start up from DEN flying ERJs)

USAirways A321 service is set to commence soon. (anybody know when?)

 
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 9:51 am

Flyf15,
They are no longer accepting U.S. flights to Gatwick. BAA's plan (UK airport company) is planning on moving all trans-atlantic flights to Heathrow. So the flight WILL be from Heathrow, now Gatwick. Even British Airways will move there flight to Denver, to Heathrow.
UA's flight won't happen for quite a while, but eventually it will as soon as they get the Heathrow slots for it.

Flyf15, Air Jamaica's flight will be code-shared with what? Delta Air Lines? Delta is going to fly Kingston-Denver?

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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 9:55 am

Ummm. I have a question for BA?
How can you say that Air Canada is adding flights to Denver when they just decreased a Denver-Winnipeg flight? Can you please answer thuis. Also where is your source of Air Canada adding more flights to Denver?
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 10:02 am

YWG777,
My source is asking someone who works at DEN. Air Canada just changed the aircraft of the flight from Denver-Winnipeg. NOT dropped its flights. I'm not sure what aircraft it is now. But Air Canada said that they are planning on increasing frequency of current flights to Denver. They plan to increase frequency to Vancouver, Winnipeg, and Montreal with-in 2 years. Now, that is called INCREASING, not DECREASING.
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 10:19 am

YWG777,
That Winnipeg flight that Air Canada stopped is to be replaced by a United Airlines flight. Not sure about the aircraft, I believe it will be an A319 though.

Also, I got this off Air Canada's site:

Air Canada will continue to expand its transborder services, consolidating its position as the airline of choice linking Canada and the United States. Air Canada plans to launch new transborder routes including Montreal-Denver CO, Toronto-Greensboro NC, Toronto-Ontario CA and Toronto-Orange County CA (the latter two serving the Los Angeles area). In addition, Air Canada will increase flights on a number of transborder routes including Calgary-Chicago IL, Ottawa-Washington D.C. National and Toronto-Las Vegas NV.

The Montreal-Denver flight has already started, right now they are planning on increasing frequency on some of the flights to Denver. Is that enough proof for ya?

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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 10:39 am

BA.
Can you pleae e-mail me this. I would greatly approatice it
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 10:44 am

BA,

YUL-DEN just started. YWG-DEn is having major problems! Their flights are less than half full. AC is in big trouble, so dont't look for any expansion soon from them.
United is not flying to YWG
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 10:51 am

FLYYUL,
Yes they are, I asked, my next door neighbor who is a United pilot. I know YUL just started. I just told you that. Yes I know, the YWG flights aren't doing well at all, thats why Air Canada stopped one of there flights. United will be starting that flight soon though. Don't know the aircraft though, probably a BAe 146, since thats what United uses.
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 10:53 am

YWG777, what do you want me to email you? There is nothing I have to email. Just visit Air Canada's website.
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 10:55 am

BA
E-mail me on stuff on UA flying to YWG. Its not on AirCanadas website regarding the UA flight or a second flight. Any idea when it will happen of UA comming to YWG?
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:01 am

YWG777,
The UA flight isn't confirmed. All I know is they were talking with Air Canada about adding a few UA flights to some places in Canada and they mentioned YWG. Other than that I don't know, they probably changed there mind now, and are planning on sticking with more major Canadian citys.

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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:01 am

We will not be gaining any new flights with the Air Jamacia codeshare, I heard it would be a Continental codeshare through Houston.
 
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:06 am

BA
Can you give me a date of when this could be confirmed? I would greatly appreciate it. It is to my Knowledge that if AC ever did drop the existing DEN flight, then UA would take it fully (winnipeg airpoort authority) Will it happen this year? Please e-mail me thanks
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:09 am

There is a problem with Bermuda II in regards to having DEN-LHR flights. It is not legally possible. If the case was to transfer all US-London flights to LHR from Gatwick, then DFW-LHR would be flying right now by AA. Also, CO and DL would be jumping for joy at their newly granted Heathrow access.

Please post your reference to the transfer of LGW-US flights to LHR.
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:10 am

YWG777,
I'll keep you informed, there is nothing new about Denver-Canada flights yet. All that was announced recently was that Air Canada would be increasing frequency to some of the current Canada-Denver flights with the next 2 years. That is the only news I have now. As soon I hear the word "Winnipeg" I'll come running to you.  Big grin

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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:15 am

BA,
I would appreaciate this throguh e-mail and not on the board. We in Winnipeg take pride in the Denver flight. so does that mean that there will be 1 UA 319/146 and 1 AC 146 to DEN a day?
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:15 am

The reason why the flight will only occur if the merger goes through is just that... Denver flights cannot go to Heathrow, and thus must go to Gatwick. United does not currently have an operation at Gatwick, but USAirways does. The USAirways operation would be used to support the Denver flight, most likely a B767-300 or B777-200.
 
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:16 am

Redraider,
Its been on the news for 2 months now. It will take 2 years to transfer international flights from Gatwick to Heathrow. Gatwick will be mainly used for flights around Europe, and Northern Africa. They are planning on putting a certain radius around Gatwick, limiting the distance that a flight can come. I believe it will be 2000NM. Just like here in the U.S. Washington Ronald Reagon (DCA) has a limit on how far a flight can come from. DCA can only be used 1,200NM from DCA. That is way mainly you use east coast flights around DCA. They will enact a similar rule for Gatwick.

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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:19 am

YWG777,
Most probably the United flight to YWG will not happen. They seem to have forgot about it. They were planning on using a BAe 146 I believe. But again I'm not sure. MOST probably this flight won't happen, as YWG isn't a very profitable route from Denver. This is all I know. My email account isn't working properly now, so I can't email you now.

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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:22 am

Flyf15,
Yes you are right, flights from Denver to Heathrow are not allowed. But if Frontier was able to gain rights to Washington Ronald Reagan, then most likely, EVENTUALLY United will gain rights to Heathrow. Just remember, that with-in 2 years, the BA flight will change to a Heathrow flight, since they are moving all there international flights to Heathrow.

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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:23 am

I think that if an airline started a flight from DEN to Japan, it would be UA. JAL would have no feed in DEN, which would be a big help to UA.

BA: I thought the YYZ-ONT flight was canceled? How long was this info updated; in other words is AC considering restarting the flight? YYZ-SNA is a good idea.

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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:23 am

BA,
You said at the beginning of this post that it will happen and now it won'tt? Which one is it
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:27 am

British Airways will be basing a certain number of B777-200s in Gatwick for flights to US cities that are not allowed LHR service under Bermuda II. The Denver flight will stay at LGW for BA.
 
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:27 am

Trvlr,
I never mentioned a thing about YYZ-ONT.

YWG777,
I said that it was in there future plans, but not it looks quite un-likely since Air Canada is having problems with there YWG flight.
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:30 am

BA,
Okay makes a bit of sense. I thought thatr AC was going to do one flight and UA would do the other thats what I thought you ment. I need all the info I can get from you
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:31 am

Flyf15,
What I heard on the local news was that eventually the flight will be moved to Heathrow.
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:33 am

YWG777,
This is all I know now. If I hear something new, I'll notify you.

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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:37 am

BA,
Can you ask the UA pilot of when this is taking place I would love to know. The majorty of us have never seen a UA p[lane in YWG before the only Time I have ever seen a UAL plane was in a emergency landing. If you say UAL is commig here in 2 years then they are I trust you nbut Please ask this pilot
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:44 am

YWG777,
As I told you, it is now probably not going to happen. They were talking about it last year and haven't mentioned a thing recently. So basically, its not gonna happen (most probably). My neighbor wouldn't know probably. Pilots don't usually know about there airlines future plans.
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:57 am

Also is AC gonna boost the second flight then?
Here uis the situation in YWG right now as we speak:
YWG has:
AC 4 flights to ORD (CRJ-100)
AC 1 flight to DEN (BAE-146)
NW 5 flights to MSP (DC-9)

NW plans on adding a 6th flight to MSP with a DC-9 service starts June 6th.
Now please tell me where the rest of this fits in?
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 12:01 pm

BA, YWG777, for the record, the YUL-DEN route doesn't look like it's doing that great either. YWG is doing so-so, not fantastic, it's certainly not as popular as flying NW south. Both these routes would be questions of yield, and perhaps summer traffic might redeem them a bit (hopefully). Also, I was just looking at schedules, and I was wondering what happened with AC's YVR-DEN flights, I didn't see them anywhere. I have confidence that DEN will grow it's Canadian-destined traffic, but considering that those 3 cities are all major Canadian centres, I'd say that it looks like it will take some time...

By the way, does anyone recall a proposed RJ startup? I believe it was to be called JetAnywair (or something tacky like that) and planned on flying into DEN from some small centres in North Dakota and Saskatchewan. Whatever became of that??? I don't believe it ever got off the ground.
 
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 12:20 pm

AC183,
Yeah JetAnywair is probably not gonna get off the ground.
Anyways, actually YUL is the most profitable DEN-Canada route. Infact the A319 that they use to there isn't enough. Flights are always booked and Air Canada will be adding a 2nd and 3rd flight in the near future to help resolve this.
Now, YWG ISN'T doing that well at all. I believe that is why they stopped 1 of there 2 flights.

YWG777,
Maybe eventually, Air Canada will start the 2nd flight up again. But for now, there is only 1 daily flight to YWG. If it gains in popularity Air Canada will bring back the 2nd flight again.

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AC183

Wed Feb 07, 2001 12:22 pm

As I stated above, the Jet Anywair idea is dead, they're never going to happen, sadly.
 
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RE: BA

Wed Feb 07, 2001 12:44 pm

Posted by BA:
>>Toronto-Ontario CA and Toronto-Orange County CA (the latter two serving the Los Angeles area).

...You never said a thing about ONT?? ONT is the code for Ontario, California, and that route has been started and canceled, so I was wondering if AC was planning on restarting it.

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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Wed Feb 07, 2001 1:05 pm

All of us in YWG would like to see the second flight back eathier operated by UA or AC. I mean It doesn't look like that AC is going to do the second flight so it makes me wonder what will happen. If you say the traffic is booming down there then it is. I hope to see 5 daily flights to Denver (winnipeg airport authority) by the time the new terminal is built
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RE: Air Jamaica

Wed Feb 07, 2001 5:42 pm

According to the routemap on their website, Air Jamaica is supposed to start nonstop service between Denver and Montego Bay. I have tried to get in touch with contacts at DIA but I haven't gotten a response yet.

Flyf15- out of curiousity, what are your sources regarding this route being a codeshare flight? Thanks.
 
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RE: Air Jamaica

Wed Feb 07, 2001 5:49 pm

I just checked the Air Jamaica's route map and Denver and Houston are no longer listed as future routes. That's a bummer.
 
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Thu Feb 08, 2001 12:29 pm

BA wrote: "actually YUL is the most profitable DEN-Canada route. Infact the A319 that they use to there isn't enough. Flights are always booked"

Actually, BA, my info is that the YUL-DEN flight is running at lower % loads than the YWG run, at least at the present time. I don't know what the yields are like, which of course is also important, but it's not exactly overbooked for the next while. Of course, it's not the summer season, which is peak demand, but still, a reasonable number of seats have to be filled year-round. I think it's going to take time to grow these routes, but I'm quite confident they will continue to grow.
 
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Thu Feb 08, 2001 2:02 pm

Just found out the first USAirways A321 flight to Denver will arrive on the night of Mar. 3, 2001, from PIT. We will have 2 A321 flights a day, both from PIT.
 
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RE: Air Jamaica

Sun Feb 11, 2001 8:12 am

IAH will start June 7. Denver will not start till probably next year.
 
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RE: Denver Traffic Is Booming!

Sun Feb 11, 2001 9:15 am

I have heard from several people as well as on the news that Denver - London flights will be moved to Heathrow in the future. I have also heard in the news and papers that a JAL flight is STILL very much in the books for the airline, and that UAL has plans too. I have heard nothing about any AC/UA Canadian flights Sad.

*Does anyone know what time the LH flight will arrive and on what date in starts?

Hope this helps.

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