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L-1011 Quiz

Thu Feb 08, 2001 12:25 pm

I am new at this "quiz" stuff, so give me some feedback (too hard, too easy, etc.).  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Prizes are

1. Personal Pride and Satisfaction in knowing you are the winner of the quiz
2. Miles on one of the following carriers: Reno Air, PSA, Eastern, Carnival, Legend, WinAir, WestPac, or Total Air

3. Ummm....yeah Big grin

THE QUIZ

1. What was the first airline to withdraw its Tristars?

2. Name 10 of the L-1011 original delivery customers.

3. What was the registration of the Tristar lost in Colombo, Sri Lanka in 1986?

4. When Eastern Airlines retired, to whom did the most of its Tristars go to?

5. Name 6 charter airlines the Tristar has flown with.

6. What was the registration of the supposedly "haunted" Eastern L-1011?

7. True or False: LTU retired its last Tristar in 1996.

8. Who was the intended customer for the last Tristar, a -500? Who is it currently in service with?

9. What titling on a specific Royal Jordanian Tristar indicates it as being that of a King?

10. What is the Tristar model most commonly sought after for freighter conversion?

11. What is the only African airline to operate a Tristar?

12. What made PSA Tristars different from any other Tristars?

13. Genius Question - Think Hard - How many Tristars entered service?

Have Fun, I'll get the answers up soon.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Thu Feb 08, 2001 12:37 pm

4.Delta
8.LAM mozambique
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Thu Feb 08, 2001 12:48 pm

1. Pan Am?
2. Eastern, TWA, Delta, Air Canada, Northeast (never "delivered") British Airways, PSA, Cathay Pacific, Sri Lankan, Gulf Air
3. I don't know
4. Delta
5. Rich, LTU, Tradewinds, Caledonian, Courtline, I can see it but can't name it
6. N318EA
7. False
8. Delta and Delta
9. I don't know that one either
10. the earlier version...like maybe the 385-1
11. Air Afrique
12. They had a lower lounge
13. I really don't know off hand

This wasn't too awful bad. I am tired though so that made it more difficult......especially when I couldn't answer all the questions
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Thu Feb 08, 2001 12:56 pm

i mean #11 is LAM mozambique
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Thu Feb 08, 2001 12:59 pm

1) My guess is Cathay Pacific
2) Air Canada, All Nippon, British Airways, BWIA, Cathay Pacific, Court Line, Delta, Eastern, Gulf Air, LTU, PSA, Saudia, TWA (sorry, I got carried away)
3) 4R-ULD
4) question is a little vague, but a bunch went to Delta
5) American Trans Air, Air Transat, Tradewinds, YesTours, LTU, , and Air Atlanta Icelandi
6) N318EA
8) first went to TWA, currently a Saudia VIP aircraf
10) L-1011-1-15 (200)
11) Congo Airlines
12) the downstairs lounge.
13) 249. There were 250 built, but #1 stayed with Lockheed.

I give upon 7 and .

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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Thu Feb 08, 2001 1:13 pm

1: British Airways
2: Eastern, TWA, LTU, Courtline, Delta, Eastern, Air Canada, British Airways, ANA, PSA.
3:4R-ULD
4:Delta
5:Courtline, ATA, Novair, Star Europe, Chileinter, Orient Thai Airlines
6:Several Eastern planes received parts from 401 and all were thought to be haunted.
7:True
8:Royal Jordanian, Algerian Gov't
9:
10:300
11:
12:They had the lower level lounge option.
13:250
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Thu Feb 08, 2001 1:41 pm

1. British Airways (unless you count Caledonian as part of it)
2.Eastern ,TWA ,PSA ,LTU ,Delta ,Cathay pacific, Saudia, Gulf Air, British Airways, Pan Am.
3.4R-ULD
4.Delta Air Lines
5.Court Line, AirOps ,Air Atlanta Icelandic, Air Transat, Blue Scandanavia, Royal Airlines.
6. N318EA
7.True
8.Algerian VIP FLight, currently with Saudia
9.JY-HKJ "Royal Jordanian FLight"
10. 200 model
11. LAM Linhas Aereas Mocambique
12.They operated intra-california routes and had smiles!
13.250

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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Thu Feb 08, 2001 3:51 pm

My 2 cents worth…

1. Court Line.
2. Eastern, TWA, Haas Turner, Air Canada, Court Line, LTU, Delta, All Nippon, British Airways, Cathay Pacific (10).
3. AirLanka 4R-ULD.
4. Delta.
5. Court Line, LTU, Caledonian Airways, American Trans Air, Air Transat, Air Ops.
6. Several, best known N318EA ('The Ghost of Flight 401').
7. True.
8. Algerian Government (Ministry of Defense); now with Saudi VIP Flight.
9. The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.
10. Lockheed L-1011-385-1-15 with RB.211-524 series engines.
11. LAC of Congo currently (ADC Airlines recently).
12. Lower Lounge (related fuselage fairing), specific operational weights options.
13. 249 (1 prototype never delivered = 250 production TriStars)

Daniel
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Thu Feb 08, 2001 6:30 pm

Question 11 is incorrect: the following African airlines have all operated L1011s -

1) TAAG Angola (leased -500 from TAP)
2) LAM Mozambique (leased -500 from TAP)
3) Air Sudan (multiple aircraft)
3) Air Algerie (multiple aircraft)
4) Nigeria Airways (leased from Air Atlanta)
5) ADC Airlines
6) Cameroon Airlines (leased -500)
and the latest operator...
Congo Air Lines
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Thu Feb 08, 2001 6:34 pm

BTW, my vote goes to Daniel as the winner of this one!
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Thu Feb 08, 2001 7:04 pm

I understand that "L-1011-500"'s intention was to ask for African airlines currently operating the L-1011. All in all, approx. ten airlines operated the L-1011 - in addition to Ceilidh's above list, think of Tunis Air, Egypt Air, Kabo Air, etc.!

Daniel
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Thu Feb 08, 2001 10:20 pm

you guys have too much time on your hands  Big grin

 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Thu Feb 08, 2001 10:27 pm

As much as you have to post such useless comments. Big grin
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Fri Feb 09, 2001 12:05 am

well said Notarzt!
Only question really left (I think?)#1. First airline to withdraw its tristars from service was PSA, 1976 their two tri's were grounded during the fuel crisis.

Gotta love the l1011 (best looking airliner-in my opinion)
good quiz. all the best crj-900
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Fri Feb 09, 2001 12:29 am

Crj-900,

Question #1 should be Court Line (as stated above). The airline ceased ops in 1974.

Daniel
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Fri Feb 09, 2001 4:21 am

well if the answer to #1 means the 1st airline to withdraw its L1011s WITHOUT going under, PSA is the answer, otherwise its Court as stated.

Im not gonna bother answering any of the other questions.
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Answers

Fri Feb 09, 2001 9:20 am

Thanks for participating - I realized some questions were vague, and one was wrong, so this will help me out. Thanks for the input.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

The Answers

1. Court Line; they operated them from 1973 to 1974; they went into liquidation

2. Any 10 of the following: Eastern, TWA, Delta, British Airways, Pan Am, Cathay Pacific, Eastern, AirLanka, LTU, TAP, PSA, Gulf Air, Saudia, ANA, Alia (Royal Jordanian), BWIA, Court Line, Air Canada, Haas-Turner (a leasing group)

3. 4R-ULD

4. Cathay Pacific received 12 Tristars from Eastern; Delta received 10

5. Any 6 of the following: ATA, Air Ops, Air Atlanta Icelandic, Blue Scandinavia, Chile Inter, Air Transat, Royal Aviation, LTU, Yes, Caledonian, Novair, Star Europe, Court Line, Rich International

6. N318EA

7. False; the year was 1998.

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8. The Algerian Government; it is currently in service as a Saudi VIP Transport (HZ-HM5)

9. The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan

10. Tristar 200; higher MGTOW and more powerful RB211-524 engines

11. Thank you Ceilidh - the question was incorrect - this is verbatim from Ceilidh's response -
1) TAAG Angola (leased -500 from TAP)
2) LAM Mozambique (leased -500 from TAP)
3) Air Sudan (multiple aircraft)
3) Air Algerie (multiple aircraft)
4) Nigeria Airways (leased from Air Atlanta)
5) ADC Airlines
6) Cameroon Airlines (leased -500)
and the latest operator...
Congo Air Lines

12. Those nifty lower level lounges that were identifiable by the fairing behind the landing gear made PSA's Tristars different from any other.

13. 249 - the prototype, N1011, was never delivered and was scrapped in Ardmore, OK in 1986 with less than 9000 hours.  Crying

THANKS FOR TAKING THIS QUIZ  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Fri Feb 09, 2001 4:31 pm

"L-1011-500",

Re. 4: I smelled that Cathay Pacific story.

Re. 7: D-AERT was sold and retired by LTU in 1996 (S/N 1183). Where did you get "1998"? The aircraft was modified for Rich International, re-reg. N501GB, and delivered to Rich International in May 1996.

Re. 11: Your question was quite correct as long as referred to the "current" African airline to operate the L-1011.

Anyway, nice quiz.

Daniel
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Fri Feb 09, 2001 6:59 pm

"L-1011-500",

Don't want to bother you with details. However, one more thing regarding your task 4:

>When Eastern Airlines retired, to whom did the
>most of its Tristars go to?

If you ask for the airline that received most aircraft of the L-1011 fleet when Eastern Airlines RETIRED (= 1990/91), then it's definitely Delta Airlines. You are correct, Delta received only 10 whereas Cathay Pacific got 12. But Cathay Pacific acquired several L-1011s from Eastern Airlines during the 1980's (long before Eastern's demise), whereas Delta got their 10 ships directly from Eastern bankrupt's estate.

Daniel
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Sat Feb 10, 2001 12:42 am

Sorry - the photo on the answer post said that the aircraft in the photo was spotted at Kai Tak in 1998.

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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Sat Feb 10, 2001 3:27 am

"L-1011-500",

That's onviously incorrect. Here are the dates for owner change of D-AERT (S/N 1183) and D-AERL (S/N 1196):

D-AERT: 19-03-96 last service for LTU (MIA-DUS), 21-03-96 purchased by IALI & ferried ATL for mod by Delta Airlines.

D-AERL: 30-04-96 last service for LTU (MIA-DUS), 06.05.96 purchased by IALI, 09-05-96 leased to Royal Jordanian.

LTU's third TriStar 500 (D-AERV) had left two years before.

Hope this helps.

Daniel
 
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A Bonus Question

Sat Feb 10, 2001 4:42 am

Okay, Guys.

I have a quiz question of my own. Lets see if you know the answer.

"What was the ship serial # (s/s) of the fuselage that Lockheed used for destructive tests?"
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Sat Feb 10, 2001 4:57 am

Hi Louis,

Nice to hearing from you again. Which test specimen are you referring to: the fatigue test specimen or the static test specimen? Big grin

I believe your are referring the the second airframe off the production line (no offical S/N assigned, however, it was dubbed "1000"). It's the fatigue test specimen then.

Daniel
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Sat Feb 10, 2001 5:34 am

Daniel, you are correct. I would assume that it is 193A-1000.

BTW, does anyone know how Lockheed ran the final production line at Palmdale? It appears that after the fuselages were painted,there were two production lines running side by side, as if a ship completed one line, then it re-entered it in the second line. I remember seeing a photo of a TWA example on the production line with all the early EAL machines. I couldn't read the reg., but it was too early in production for N31001, and N301EA/N31001 was already built....
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Sat Feb 10, 2001 5:57 am

Louis,

You are correct. The paint job was made after fuselage assembly. These airframes subsequently entered the second part of the production line and were completed.

As for the TWA coloured aircraft. Lockheed definitely painted only one of the pre S/N 1013 aircraft in Trans World's colour scheme (N31001, S/N 1002). The early production Eastern aircraft you have seen on the photo along with one example painted in TWA colour scheme might have been the flight test aircraft being refurbished and prepared for final delivery (after the flight test program was finished). The only option, I think.

Daniel
 
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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Sat Feb 10, 2001 6:41 am

Actually, I think the one used for destructive tests may have been the one that experienced a decompression over the Pacific while flying for Delta in 1995. I think it was N781DL? I think it was 193A - 1003, 1004, something like that. It was one of the first ones.

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RE: L-1011 Quiz

Sat Feb 10, 2001 7:28 am

Indeed, Lockheed Martin used 1003 (N781DL, ex N302EA) for such tests in late 1995. The original fatigue tests were performed by "1000" in the early 1970's, of course.

Daniel