travelin man
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Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 3:35 am

Has SAS ever served LAX? Why don't they now? (or if they do serve LAX, someone please correct me!) It would seem that there could be a fairly large market for SoCal - Scandinavia non-stops. Of course, the fact that there are currently NO flights between these two regions might indicate otherwise!

(Of course, SAS serves Seattle, so again, why not LA?)
 
Zander
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 3:41 am

SAS served LA for some years ago, what I know the type was mostly the DC10.
The route wasn't profitable so they drop it.
They have nowadays thoughts about a San Fransisco route from CPH because of their large amount business travellers. I assume there wasn't enough business travellers flying to LA, that's why they dropped it.
I am not sure if this is correct but that's what I have heard.
 
heisan67
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 4:09 am

I belive there are some problems regarding flying time as well. A nonstop service would due to the long flight time have to be served by two aircrafts in order to have a daily service.
As of today SAS have to few aircrafts.......belive it or not.

There are rumors about SAS starting a route Oslo- Chicago.
 
travelin man
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 4:59 am

Will SAS be receiving long-haul aircraft soon? I have no doubt that there are far more business people in LA than in Seattle. Frankly, there are a lot more people in the LA area than in the Bay area, and I don't think an airline would skip LA if it were looking for business travellers.

Lufthansa, British Airways, Virgin, Air France, AOM, SwissAir, KLM, Alitalia, and Aerlingus operate flights into LAX. It would be great to see carriers such as SAS, Iberia, Olympic, and IcelandAir come to LA as well. Of course, I'm not sure a 757 could make LA-Reykijavik (spelling?) non-stop...(i doubt it)
 
Zander
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 5:14 am

There are a lot of Scandinavian people or people with scandinavian relations living in the Seattle area, that's why SAS serves it daily.

And yes, it seems to be more business travellers around SF then it is in LA, I doubt it, but that's what I have heard.

By the way I flew Icelandair from Orlando-Reykjavik and Reykjavik-JFK. Both flights were very long for 757 in my opinion, the MCO-KEF flight took about 7 hours or so.
I doubt it could fly nonstop to LAX.
 
DETA737
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 5:19 am

I know SAS began operating to LAX from Stockholm in 1954 via Greenland. I think they stopped flying there in the 1980s. If the route was so unprofitable why did they operate it for so long?
 
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 5:25 am

Since SAS became a Star Aliance partner the more thin long haul routes have been more or less split among the aliance partners. So on some US destinations you may have to connect through for instance Frankfurt and catch Lufthansa. If for instance you live in Jutland, Denmark, which half of the Danish population does, then it is often all the same to take a Maersk Air 737 from Billund to CPH or FRA and continue with SAS or LH. For other US destinations LH may send Germans to CPH to continue on a SAS plane.

When SAS earlier had a handful of US destinations, mostly from Copenhagen, then I think that their philosophy today is to spread their US routes between all three Scandinavia capital cities and have fewer US destinations, mainly aliance partner UAL hubs. And then let UAL spread the customers to several dozens of US destinations.

If I was a SAS CEO, then I would think in that way. And I think that customers mostly agree. Simply because it often gives one less connecting flight within Scandinavia.

Best regards, Preben Norholm
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 5:35 am

Does SAS follow a hub-to-point or a hub-to-spoke strategy? What US destinations do they serve? If they would go by a hub-to-spoke, they would - like Swissair - only serve their transatlantic partners' hubs and let their passengers connect through their network to beyond US gateways. In this case UA (SFO, ORD, JFK and other, smaller so-called mini-hubs) and AA (DFW, ORD, BOS, SJC, mini-hubs), respectively.

Thanks,

gibberish
 
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 5:48 am

as far as i know, SAS serves EWR from CPH, ARN, and OSL, ORD from CPH and ARN and soon possibly also from OSL. SEA is being served from cph, whereas IAD will soon receive service from CPH.

rdgs
daniel
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 5:56 am

Here is a shot of SAS at LAX that I took many years ago:


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Photo © Richard Silagi



Richard Silagi
 
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 6:26 am

LAX was one of SAS' first long-haul routes I think. Their corporate history says things about having royalties on their inaugural flight, and the LA mayor going to Scandinavia, things like that.

And a SAS DC-8 went down in Santa Monica bay in the 60s, in case you didn't know. :-(

So I guess it's not an issue of distance but demand, like everyone has mentioned.

SAS did mention expansion as a reason for ordering new A330/340s, but I don't know about LAX.
 
thomacf
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 6:32 am

Does SAS fly to JFK? I just saw Newark.
 
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 8:46 am

Thomacf, here's a quote from SAS' official history:
On May 1, 1989 SAS moved from John F. Kennedy in New York to Newark airport in New Jersey, implementing cooperation with Continental Airlines. This led to improved connections to a large number of U.S. domestic destinations.
 
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 8:51 am

I wonder if SAS could build their own little airport in Ballard to serve directly?  Big grin
Seattle-area members will know what I am talking about... Big grin
 
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 9:17 am

N766AS:

Yaa, sure, you betcha!  Smile

 
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 9:26 am

hahaha
 
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 9:43 am

There are still one or two SAS wheelchairs at LAX. Keep your eyes open next time you pass through, maybe you'll see one!
- I am LN-MOW, and I approve this message.
 
johnboy
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RE: Why No SAS At Lax?

Fri Feb 09, 2001 9:49 am

Next time you have a few minutes lag time at LAX, go
down in front of the arrivals level at Tom Bradley IT, and look at the memorial "Rock" stating that SAS was the first European carrier to serve Los Angeles nonstop with jets, or something to that effect. I always thought it was ironic since they don't fly there anymore.