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Trouble for Boeing.....

Sun Nov 22, 1998 7:33 pm

Some airlines are complaing to the Boeing Company about there customer service. United Airlines, United Parcel Service (UPS), Emirate Airlines, British Airways and Egypt Air all did.

United Airlines is said that it is thinking of turing to Airbus for there aircraft instead of Boeing. United Parcel Service said Boeing lacked customer service and that is why they orderd Airbus A300-600 cargo aircraft over Boeing aircraft. Emirate Airlines has said to Boeing they have been let down with there Boeing 777 aircraft and Egypt Air is also having some trouble with there Boeing 777-200.

Boeing has said they talked to all these airlines and they worked out there problems.

What do you think about this?

-Farhan Ali.
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RE: Trouble for Boeing.....

Mon Nov 23, 1998 1:21 am

Just another problem with Boeing. I think that if they would have waited a few years, MD would be buying Boeing.
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RE: Trouble for Boeing.....

Mon Nov 23, 1998 4:53 am

I was disappointed when I heard that UPS had decided to place an Airbus order. The A300 is already obsolete, even the -600 model that UPS ordered. Those planes won't fit in well with the rest of their 200+ plane fleet, all of which (with the exception of the aging DC-8s and Metroliners) is Boeing.
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RE: BryanG

Mon Nov 23, 1998 6:36 am

Im sorry but I dont agree that it was a wrong purchase. Ok it might be a very huge step to make there fleet different. However can you tell me which aircraft would be better? Dont you think that the A300-600f gives them better cargo capacity than any other boeing jet other than the 747Fs. As a fact the A306 is actually a good aircraft to replace DC10s and I dont think that UPS is a DC10 fan. And besides the A306 has been proven to be very reliable and very cost efficient. Ask Federal Express they even have the A310
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RE: Airbus Cargo

Mon Nov 23, 1998 6:49 am

FedEx is in love with the A310 and the A300
cargo converted planes. In fact I have
heard several rumors that they might
be working with Airbus on a new cargo
that would be twin engine extended range.
Like the 777 but cargo. FedEx has also
asked Boeing if they plan to build a 777
cargo but I have not heard the verdict on
that issue. We will see.
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RE: Airbus Cargo

Mon Nov 23, 1998 9:14 am

That would be good if Boeing builds a 777 but I think if they do build it Boeing will use the 777-300 for the aircraft....

The Airbus A300-600 Freighter is alot better than the 767-200 /-300 Freighter but the 747-400 and 757-200 and MD-11 freighter aircraft are the best.
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RE: BryanG

Mon Nov 23, 1998 9:57 am

Hi I'm Ben; You remember me don't you?
I agree with you Drew. Fed Ex did not make the wrong choice when choosing the A300-600F. I must say that the A300-600F, the MD-11F and the 747-400F are the best three so far because they are roomy (they have quite a good cargo capacity) and they are fuel efficient.
Bryan, do you have something against Airbus? Why are you disappointed when UPS chose Airbus over Boeing? Of course, UPS is not a DC-10 fan (they never had any) but Fed Ex is, so it makes sense to me that UPS chooses the A300-600F over the MD-11F. The A300-600 is not that old. Look at Fed Ex, they have flown for a long time the DC-10 and were an early customer for the MD-11F. And what do they have besides that? They have a bunch of A300's and A310's. Fed Ex loves the A300 and A310 (I do too). My point is, Bryan, that you shoudn't be dissapointed that UPS chose Airbus over Boeing.
I love both Boeing and Airbus. Boeing may be the largest airplane manufacturer in the world but Airbus can compete. Airbus is the second largest aircraft manufacturer in the world, maybe someday they will beat Boeing.
Who are the two important aircraft manufacturers in the world? Boeing and Airbus.

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RE: Airbus Cargo

Mon Nov 23, 1998 9:59 am

Apparently the A330 also makes a good freighter. I heard that Cathay Pacific uses their A330s as freighters with just the bottom floor filled with cargo and the top floor is empty and they still make a profit.

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RE: BryanG

Mon Nov 23, 1998 11:58 am

I used to (and will again in December) work part-time as ground crew on the UPS ramp at GSO, so I have a certain attachment to them. It was their goal in the 1980s to build up the most efficient, state of the art cargo fleet in the world. The core fo their fleet, the 757s and 767s, make the best freighter team in the world. They function well with each other and the addition of a new type will gum up the works somewhat. The pilots that I asked didn't like the choice of the Airbus at all. Also, ordering the A300 seems like a regression. I think they would have been better served by additional 767-300Fs or 767-400Fs.
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RE: BryanG

Tue Nov 24, 1998 11:21 am

I agree with BryanG, ordering the A300-600F seems like a regression. UPS would have been better off if they had ordered more 767-300F. The A300 is an antiquated aircraft. UPS should also consider purchasing the 747-400F to replace its 747-100F fleet. I also have to say, what is wrong with being anti-Airbus? The company many be a good company, but its aircraft seem to push the technology edge to much and cause safety hazards. They are also arragant when predicting market forecasts or when talking about anything relating to the A3XX. They should have to play by the same rules Boeing does and not be allowed to receive government funding for commericial projects. The French government will give AEROSPATIALE 1/3 of the total cost of possibly manufacturing the A3XX.
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