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Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Sun Feb 11, 2001 2:23 pm

I was at Tucson Int'l Airport this afternoon, and saw an Alaska Airlines 737-400 coming in to land, while a private plane was still on the runway after landing. All of a sudden the Alaska jet pulled up sharply, retracted it's gear, and roared off for another try. Whew! I'm sure it confused the people on board! Question: does the pilot of the private plane that caused the go-around get in any kind of trouble?
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Sun Feb 11, 2001 2:28 pm

Go arounds happen all the time, they are nothing to get bent out of shape over.

Question: does the pilot of the private plane that caused the go-around get in any kind of trouble?


No, first, he prolly didn't cause it. Second, the controller instructed the go around as it is the controllers responsibility to provide separation. Third, if the Alaska plane had landed with the private plane still on the runway, the controller would have gotten in trouble.

 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Sun Feb 11, 2001 2:54 pm

Probably not.I wonder if the pilot announces it to the passangers?Has anyone experienced a go around?I saw one at JFK but was never in an airplane that had to perform one.
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Sun Feb 11, 2001 3:02 pm

They happen all the time in Philadelphia. I live in one of the high rises at the University of Pennsylvania, and you can always tell when a plane if going around cause you hear the roar of the engines and you can see the plane passing overhead back towards the airport. It's definitely quite a sight. If a plane is going around, does that affect the separation with the plane behind the aircraft? The only advantage to living on the 21st floor is to be able to see the planes approaching the airport. You can tell when the 737's are landing, because of their higher speeds on landing because of the rudder issue.
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Sun Feb 11, 2001 3:05 pm

If a plane is going around, does that affect the separation with the plane behind the aircraft?


No, it shouldn't.
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Sun Feb 11, 2001 3:28 pm

I don't think a missed approach will affect the separation, with this diagram explaining:

Assume that NW1 is departing, DL1 is going to do a missed approach, and UA1 is behind DL1.


1)
<--NW1    -----------runway---------------<--DL1            <--UA1

DL1 and UA1 are approximately the same speed, while NW1 is much faster.

2)
<--NW1    -------runway------<--DL1-----              <--UA1

DL1 accelerates to the speed of NW1.

3)
<--NW1                   <--DL1      ---------------runway---------------  <--UA1

DL1 travels about the same speed as NW1. They get closer to each other but their separation becomes constant very soon. The separation between DL1 and UA1 increases due to speed differences.

Am I right?
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Sun Feb 11, 2001 3:35 pm

I don't think a missed approach will affect the separation, with this diagram explaining:

Assume that NW1 is departing, DL1 is going to do a missed approach, and UA1 is behind DL1.


1)
<--NW1 -----------runway---------------<--DL1 <--UA1

DL1 and UA1 are approximately the same speed, while NW1 is much faster.

2)
<--NW1 -------runway------<--DL1----- <--UA1

DL1 accelerates to the speed of NW1.

3)
<--NW1 <--DL1 ---------------runway--------------- <--UA1

DL1 travels about the same speed as NW1. They get closer to each other but their separation becomes constant very soon. The separation between DL1 and UA1 increases due to speed differences.

Am I right?

Yeah, but you made it too complicated. All the controller has to do is give one aircraft a vector away from the other .
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Sun Feb 11, 2001 5:35 pm

I saw a go around today at AKL it was cloudy wet low visability day. A QF 744 arriving from SYD came in to high and had to abort its landing. It was hard to know how high it was when he aborted but probably 100-150 feet. The aircraft took 17 minutes to return.

Scott
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Sun Feb 11, 2001 10:49 pm

Sure they'll tell you what's going on (once they are back in the pattern). I was on a Delta 727 that touched down in JAN then took right off again. The pilot told us that an United jet hadn't cleared the runway.
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Sun Feb 11, 2001 11:02 pm

Most of you guys are on the right track with your comments. No the pilot of the other aircraft does not get in trouble, but once I saw I 172 land about 1/3 - 1/2 way down the runway and taxied to teh end of the runway causing an airliner to go around, I was not on his frequency, but I certainly hope he got a rebuke for that.

Some one mentioned about it being up to the controller to call it which is not allows true. It is also the pilot responsibility not to cause a runway incursion, he too would have got in trouble.

I flew into SAN once I think it was the VOR to 27 with decision altitude of 660' well got out at the mins, and luckily I saw to the runway about 1 second before we would have done a go around! Well only one other guy made it down which must have been one of the best pilots of the night, that brother had skill! I had an advantage I was in a 172 with an approach speed of 70, he was in a MD-90 go much faster. Well we saw 4 go arounds in a row which was neat.

In the aircraft going around one of the pilot usually comes on and says a lie.

Iain
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Sun Feb 11, 2001 11:12 pm

I had the chance to make 2 go-arounds in the cockpit!
The fisrt one (ORY) was due to uncleared rwy (ATR42 still on the rwy) and the pilot said it to passengers.
The other one was at CDG due to low visibility and not CatIII landing. It's great to live it!
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:17 am

I've seen one at SEA where a Asiana 744 was told to go around after he was lined up on the wrong runway. Ha ha.. Pretty impressive to see i think!
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Mon Feb 12, 2001 5:04 am

Last month a Delta 727-200's landing gear indicator lights weren't all working. The pilot said he needed clearance out over the lake (ontario) to sort this out. The tower asked for fuel quantity and souls on board,too. The plane was probably 300' of the ground when he aborted the landing. He ended up sorting the problem out and landed on runway in ROC. The fire trucks all came out & followed the 27 to the ramp w/o incident.
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Mon Feb 12, 2001 5:09 am

I was on board a DL 767-400 a few weeks back coming in to ATL, and we went up again just as we passed the threshold. The pilot announced that another plane still was on the runway.
I worked in the South Cargo Terminal for a few months, and I could see the west approach and threshold from my desk. I saw go-arounds at least a couple of times every week. They're pretty common, especially in busy periods when they keep the spacing down to a bare minimum.
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Mon Feb 12, 2001 6:33 am

Yes, go-rounds are not un-common. I 've experienced go-rounds on 3 separate occations within 2 years when traveling frequently for work. On one of the occations we did TWO go-rounds before landing.
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Mon Feb 12, 2001 6:38 am

I don't know if they are more common at ORD, but, I see at least 1 go-around every time I am at O'Hare. Last time I was there, there was this big mother of a FedEx MD-10 about 1/4 mi out about ready to land on a TWA 757. I was cool, as I was on the road to parking, and it passed me at about 400' altitude directly overhead. I could feel it for 5 min, though...

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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Mon Feb 12, 2001 6:47 am

Perhaps I was unclear with my original question, but what I really wanted to know is where the plane that has performed the go-around go after it gets near the airport? Does it have priority over landing or does it get a special spot in the landing order?
 
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RE: Been In A Go-around

Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:09 am

Yes, I was in a go-around on a USAirways Express (Allegheny) Dash-8 a couple of summers ago. There was a runway incursion from a plane on the crosswind runway. We got down to about 500 ft. and suddenly it seemed like we just floated a distance (probably when the pilot started pulling up the nose). Then the props powered up and there was near-takeoff acceleration upwards.

Our pilot did tell us what had happened, but only after we were well clear of the airport.

Oh, and I did see the incurring plane. It was probably a 737, painted white on top.

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RE: Been In A Go-around

Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:14 am

Bunga777 pilots have specific instructions on their charts about where to go after a missed aproach, most likely to a VOR where they just do 360s.
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:20 am

I dont know how many people in here have seen this picture but no one brought it up so here it is, last minute missed approach aborted take off of a Qantas B747-200.
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Bunga

Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:28 am

No it goes no priority to landl, unless it is low on fuel and then he will! What happens is he flies what is know as a missed approach which is a lot like a SID and then he gets vectors back to final approach to try his luck again.
Iain
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:31 am

Once I was in Nome Alaska and I seen a Alaska Airlines 737-200 try to land 7 times. It was a very foggy day. Finally they called it quit's and flew back to Anchorange.
Very intresting to see, wish I had my camrea.


Cheers
Adam
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:36 am

Adam
Alaska procedures calls for 3 attempts and then divert.
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:12 pm

i was in one once. it was last April on a BA737-200 coming into land at BHX and there was a 767 of American still sat on the runway we were only about 200 feet off the deck(floor) and ive seen quite a few at EMA. one i remember clearly was a piper coming into land and a Britannia 762er was sat stationary on the runway and that was around 100 feet off the ground if that.
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:24 pm

Experienced a go-around on a BA flight from JNB-LHR in July 2000. It was a strange experience suddenly feeling the throttles open up while so close to the ground and I immediately wondered what was wrong (read some mild feelings of anxiety). It was strange feeling the power of the engines taking you back up when you expect to feel the tires connect with the runway. The pilot announced that ACT felt another plane would not make it of the runway soon enough and instruced a go around. He explained that it is reasonably common at LHR, which set all the passengers at ease. The worst was spending an additional 45 mins in the air after an 11 hour flight.
 
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RE: Saw A Last Minute Go-around Today

Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:52 pm

Airlines actually like go-arounds. Despite the extra cost of fuel, it proves that runways are being utilised to the limit. If there were no goarounds, the implication is that spacing could be tighter. Just something I heard once.
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