nwa747-400
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Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Mon Feb 12, 2001 11:28 am

I heard a rumor that UA only rents the route from NW? In addition, I heard the route is up for renewal this year and NW may want it back. Does anyone know anything about it????
 
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RE: Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Mon Feb 12, 2001 11:50 am

UA does not rent this route from NW. It bought it from Pan Am in the 80s when Pam Am was forced to sell their international services to remain viable (they failed). UA got some of Pam Am's 742s and 747SPs as part of the same transaction.
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RE: Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Mon Feb 12, 2001 12:52 pm

and a handful of L1011-500s :P
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RE: Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Mon Feb 12, 2001 1:52 pm

Do you think there is room for NW to re-enter the market of LAX-SYD or maybe SFO-SYD?
 
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RE: Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Mon Feb 12, 2001 2:39 pm

I doubt it very much, there is already much capacity with UA, QF, NZ, and soon AN entering the market, and besides, NW has no hub or airline partners at SYD or LAX.
 
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RE: Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:13 pm

As far as LAX goes, I thought that Alaska was a partner with Northwest...
 
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RE: Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:37 pm

True....but I believe NW used to fill the 747-400 SYD-LAX and they had to pull out not due to poor loads but because of government problem from the KIX-SYD flight carrying too many "Nonamericans"
 
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RE: Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Mon Feb 12, 2001 4:24 pm

The problem was with NW carrying too much Japan-Australia traffic, going against the spirit of the Aussie-American bilateral agreement.

But they never used to fill the aircraft SYD-LAX, rather they were carrying up to 60-70% Japan-Aussie traffic.

Plus, who in their right mind wants to fly from Australia to America via Japan. There are more direct routes available, which the now incumbent airlines have a stranglehold on.
 
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RE: Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Mon Feb 12, 2001 4:41 pm

If the price is right people will take very strange routings.....

There was a KIX-SYD and an LAX-SYD they were not one flight....two seperate aircraft and flight numbers.

I think the SYD-LAX was usually pretty full, and I am almost positive the SYD-KIX flight was too (all be it, with the wrong passengers)

However the SYD-LAX route wasn't selling enough high price seats I think was the problem. Same with CO, the flights were full, but with discounted tickets. I wish more US airline would go back and give us some choice, all we have is UA if you want a USA carrier to SYD.
 
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RE: Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:04 pm

Many Us Airlines have served Sydney and pulled out.
Continental and American as well as Northwest.
Northwest's problem was kinda unique as they could only enter Australia via a back door in their case Japan.
The problem was compounded by so called "Fifth Freedom" rights where Northwest wanted to uplift Japan - Sydney traffic and thus compete with the ANA and Jap lines as well as Qantas, so they were restricted there and had to try to convince Australians and Americans to travel through Japan on the way to USA or OZ as the case may be. This was very hard because most travellers would rather get to their destination reasonably quickly and there fore preferred to fly with QF or UA and previously PA. Even AA and CO were faster routes.
Both CO and AA also had to stopover in the Pacific (Hawaii?) because neither had suitable non stop capabilities.
I did enjoy seeing the Northwest aircraft here though.



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RE: Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Tue Feb 13, 2001 12:40 am

Given that QF will eventually use tha A380 on SYD-LAX, what will UA and ANZ do to compete?
 
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RE: Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Tue Feb 13, 2001 1:15 am

Just to clarify, NW flew from JFK to Osaka to Sydney. The Osaka service did not originate in LA. When I was a travel agent I used to sell loads of seats on this unusual routing, it enabled business travellers to do a very efficient trip all around the Pacific Rim from the US East Coast. Shame they cancelled it.
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RE: Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Tue Feb 13, 2001 1:21 am

It seems to me that either Northwest or Continental will have to serve Australia and New Zealand at some point.The Wings Alliance has a huge hole in their route structure there which must be filled. I did a search for flights cle-syd on NWA's web site a few days ago, I thought there might be a codeshare flight, there was no flight available, at least not on the dates I entered.
 
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RE: Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Tue Feb 13, 2001 4:39 am

I KNOW there was a SYD-LAX nonstop....I had friends that flew on it several times...
 
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RE: Does UA Own The LAX-SYD Route?

Tue Feb 13, 2001 7:26 am

After a while NW changed the JFK-KIX-SYD to originate out of Detroit, their major NE hub. This flight was operated as I recall with 2 a/c. A B744 DTW/JFK-KIX & a B742 KIX-SYD. This B742 used often sit in SYD for 2 or 3 days at a time, as this flight only operated 3 or 4 times per week.
They also initially flew SYD-HNL-LAX, until it became to uneconomic & they dropped HNL and flew direct to LAX.

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