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Housing Developments Near Airport

Tue Feb 13, 2001 5:12 pm

Excuse me if this is a repeat post, but couldn't find any recent threads after searching so here it goes.

Do airport authorities have a say in housing developments around the airports? How about the projects that fall under a/c final? I was coming in to IAH the other day and couldn't help but seeing that they were building quite a few houses (decent looking ones, too) just outside the airport. It's a given that when these people move in, they'll complain about noise and will therefore hinder major airport expansion. IAH seems to have lots of space to work around should such problems arise, but what about other airports that are not?

As you may have noticed, I resent those that live around the airport and complain about noise. Namely those that live around BOS.

IMHO, if one moved into the area after the airport was built, he/she should shut up and swallow the pill. Those that have lived before the airport was build is another story.

Your take?
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RE: Housing Developments Near Airport

Tue Feb 13, 2001 9:34 pm

It is by no means as simple as you indicate. An airport can be relatively unobtrusive for many years, but can undergo major expansion or change of use. If you lived next to a lane you would be annoyed if someone decided to turn it into a motorway. It wouldn't be fair for others to say "Ah, but you should have known that it might turn into a motorway." Intensification is the key issue here. To date, the UK legal system has failed to arrive at an adequate definition of what constitutes "significant intensification of activity." This means that for many years airport operators have been able to keep pushing the numbers up without being subjected to legal challenge. This situation has finally changed with the introduction of the European Convention on Human Rights. This Act now means that individuals can obtain recompense for changes which affect their quality of life. In some cases they will be able to prevent development.

All industries are subject to increasingly stringent environmental regulation. The global nature of aviation and anachronistic laws have allowed the industry to resist environmental regulation for far too long. I may be alone on this board, but I will be glad to see whole categories of jet aircraft consigned to the museum on environmental grounds. Regulation is one of the primary drivers of progress. If operators are forced to buy new planes, it makes it more worthwhile for the manufacturers to design and build better ones. Reputable operators will welcome regulation. It favours those who already invest in their fleet.

I live in Ramsgate near Manston in Kent, UK. The town has been here for several hundred years. The airport for around 80. The airport never had planning permission to be here. It was a military airfield, requisitioned in times of war, and never returned to its previous civil owners.
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RE: Housing Developments Near Airport

Tue Feb 13, 2001 10:51 pm

The residents in the west end of Toronto are also similarly complaining, but they have absolutely no justification. All of the development went up after the airport went into use. They have no one to blame but themselves for hearing jets flying over them every few minutes...DUH....you are next to an airport. Pick a better location next time.

My father chose his house partly based on the fact it is far enough away from YYZ but also sufficiently distant from the proposed airport (since cancelled) to the east.
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RE: Housing Developments Near Airport

Tue Feb 13, 2001 11:11 pm

Even the 'intensification' thing is a grey area - there may be a landing aircraft every minute or so at Heathrow from 5 am til about 10 pm whereas maybe 20 years ago the number of movements was half that or less - but the noise levels of jets has dropped by a factor of 4 or more. A BAC111 or 707 will take your ears off but having stood in the road between the approach lights at Heathrow where there is a row of houses, a 757 or A320 is no louder than a rush of wind - I doubt you'd hear much at all with double glazing. Much less noise pollution than I get living above a busy street at any rate - and with house prices a fraction of elsewhere.
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RE: Housing Developments Near Airport

Wed Feb 14, 2001 5:14 am

When Edmonton's City Centre Airport(YXD) was open to scheduled air service by AC's and CP's regionals and Canadian and Canadian North (a northern subsidiary which operates 737-200 Combis) before 1995, 732s and Fokker F28s often roared overhead, sometimes making my apartment windows rattle! I live right under the flight path into one of its runways, BTW.

YXD is only a few kilometres north of downtown Edmonton, and is surrounded by a lot of resdiential space. Not surprisingly, Edmontonians had been complaining about the noise generated by the 737s and F28s that came in and out.

In October 1995, a referendum closed the airport to all scheduled service except for planes with 12 seats or less. The major reason was that people were concerned that Edmonton was losing airline service to Calgary because Edmonton had two airports, and the International (YEG) was slowly dying, as airlines were increasingly using Edmonton as a feeder spoke rather than a direct destination into YEG. Noise was also part of the reason, though.

Although YEG is pretty close to Leduc, a city of about 17,000, I haven't heard much in the way of complaints about noise, mainly because the runways are aligned in a way that the noise footprints are mostly to the north and over the south end of the city.

While Vancouver International (YVR) sits on an island, there are some residential areas that sit a bit close to YVR in Richmond, BC. My brother lives in an apartment very close to one of the flight paths, and you can sometimes see 747s and other planes close enough to make out the airline's names on their fuselages or the tail designs coming almost overhead. Yet, there is not that much noise and only once in a while do you really hear anything. So, my brother doesn't have any problems noise-wise where he lives. It is only when you are really close to the Fraser River and the island on which YVR sits do you really begin to hear a lot of the noise from a/c takeoffs and landings.
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RE: Housing Developments Near Airport

Wed Feb 14, 2001 6:47 am

I am researching the proposed FedEx hub at Greensboro, NC. In my opinion, if you CHOOSE a house/lot near an airport, guess what: there will be airplanes flying overhead. Live with it.


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