AUS_Spotter
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Fog At AUS

Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:22 am

Haven't quite figured out where they are going yet, but there are NO flights landing at AUS due to heavy fog. From listening to my scanner I've only heard one flight attempt a landing but had to abort the attempt due to not being able to see the runway (Southwest). Runway 17-R (the long one) is closed due to the lighting system being down. There have been a couple departures from 17-L, an ABX DC-8 and a FedEx MD-10. The fog is so heavy that from my normal spotting location I can't even see the runway, much less the planes on the runway. Can hear them, but can't see them. I've never known a heavy to take off from 17-L (not saying it hasn't happend, just not a normal event). Tower is reporting an RVR of 800. The FedEx pilot reported it clear above 1000' for as far as they could see.


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This is what I see on a clear day. Today I can't even make out where the runway is. I can barely make out the flashing strobes at the approach end of 17-L.

I don't ever remember seeing fog this bad in the 6 years I've lived in Austin.

Jason Knutson - Austin, TX
 
classic707
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RE: Fog At AUS

Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:46 am

This morning(2/13/01) things are tough all over, Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio. Yuck, may tomarrow.
 
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RE: Fog At AUS

Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:57 am

It is beginning to clear up here at SAT. I do not know how things are with the new airport, but Mueller was notorious for fog delays during the winter and early spring. Has the Bergstrom location improved that any?
 
AUS_Spotter
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RE: Fog At AUS

Wed Feb 14, 2001 1:04 am

I'm not sure if delays due to fog have improved at Bergstrom compared to Mueller. I never paid much attention to planes when Mueller was still in operation. I can say this is probably the worst I've seen it in the year I've been paying attention to flights though. It's starting to clear up a bit here, but still pretty foggy. A few flights have actually landed at AUS now, but most are late.

Jason Knutson - Austin, TX
 
OPNLguy
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RE: Fog At AUS

Wed Feb 14, 2001 1:19 am

Did some checking and the SWA flights that diverted at AUS were all -200 aircraft only capable of CAT-I minimums of 200-1/2 RVR 1800. All other SWA aircraft were capable of CAT-III landings as low as RVR 700, and they've been coming and going without major problems, so I was told.

The old Mueller airport was a weather hassle because of the weather minimums being higher to land there. If I recall, the best you could do on 13R was 3/4 mile (no RVR installed, and when the vis went down, they usually landed on 31L (with a tailwind) so as to take advantage of the lower minimums (200-1/2, RVR 2400 as I recall). I say "usually", since if the winds were too strong out of the SE, flights would be out of tailwind limits for a low vis landing (10 kts. for anything less than 3/4 or RVR 4000) and diversions would ensue. The new AUS doesn't have those problems, and is a much better "all-weather" airport for CAT II/III aircraft.
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Ditto DAL

Wed Feb 14, 2001 1:29 am

Visibility has been getting continually worse and, although I do not have my scanner with me today, I have heard very little air traffic go by my office (about 1.5 mi from approach end). Cannot be 1/4 mile vis. at ground level.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
 
OPNLguy
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RE: Fog At AUS

Wed Feb 14, 2001 1:42 am

You're right on target...

SPECI KAUS 131616Z 00000KT 1/4SM R17L/1200V1400FT -DZ FG OVC001 16/16 A3015

Enuf RVR for CAT-II and CAT-III, but not for any lowly CAT-I aircraft, right at the moment...

Just heard that RVR is 1800 variable to 2400, so it looks like CAT-I can now make approaches, and the weather is starting to break-up... After noon, or 1pm or so, it's forecast alot better...
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aatripleseven
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RE: Fog At AUS

Wed Feb 14, 2001 1:43 am

Looking out my window right now, visiblity is bad! The fog was been in place for several days now...I was beginning to wonder what was going on at Bergstrom.
 
us330
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RE: Fog At AUS

Wed Feb 14, 2001 2:08 am

Not only at AUS, but at DFW as well. So far, the entire morning here in Dallas is full of ground level fog, with no end in sight, as well as a steady mist of rain.
 
flashmeister
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RE: Fog At AUS

Wed Feb 14, 2001 2:16 am

Things here in SAT are much better than they were earlier this morning...

One thing, Aus_spotter (or anyone else who knows) -- where's that spotting location that you took that 717 shot located?
 
AUS_Spotter
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RE: Fog At AUS

Wed Feb 14, 2001 5:04 am

Things have also gotten much better here in AUS in the last couple hours. Fog is pretty much gone. Just overcast now.

That photo was taken from the family viewing area on the East side of the East runway (17-L/35-R). If you are going East on SH-71 towards the airport turn right on the first road past the main airport entrance. This is Golf Course Rd. It dead-ends at the viewing area.

Jason Knutson - Austin, TX