aatripleseven
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New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 5:47 am

 
Trvlr
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RE: New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 6:02 am

I didn't know the AUS-SJC route was so popular that it has gone to 4x daily. I hope AA expands more out of Austin to other cities on the West Coast such as SEA, SNA, SAN, etc in competition with Southwest, which owns these markets.

Aaron G.
 
redraider
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RE: New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 6:13 am

I wish they had an AUS-NYC non-stop instead of having to go through Houston Hobby.
My wife can't wrestle, but you should see her box.
 
ishky15
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RE: New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 6:56 am

American sure operates ALOT of point-to-point routes across the US. I have no doubt, however, that they could pursue nearly any route across our country and make it profitable due to their ability to place a wide variety of aircraft on that particular route. For example, if they wanted to launch service in the Seattle-Sacramento market, they could iniate service with a MD-80, 757, or maybe even an ERJ. If these flights got completely oversold, however, they could even upgrade to a 767-200 because of their versatile fleet. But this is just an example.....
 
ABQ757
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RE: New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 8:16 am

I have noticed how AA can make money on just about any route. They should start more routes out of ABQ, like LAX or even SJC to compete with Southwest. But it seems like Southwest has too much of a dominant force here for any airline to start service here from any Southwest city. We do need more non-stops out to the east coast like JFK, EWR, DCA, or IAD. It would be really cool if JetBlue decided to come here, because I feel that they would be really successful. The only non-stop east coast routes (Excluding Florida) we have is a Saturday ABQ-EWR route on CO, and a daily ABQ-BWI on Southwest.

Gabe
 
CannedSpam
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RE: New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 9:24 am

Redraider,

AA can't have an AUS-LGA trip....it is too far in relationship to the LGA perimeter rule (by 17 miles).

ABQ757,

If AA entered the ABQ market with any additional trips, it would be a bloodbath. Southwest would kill any hopes of retaining any trips as ABQ in itself is not a profitable market. Heck, if Reno couldn't make a go of it, I seriously think that AA could fair much better.

Ishky,

AA doesn't really have a lot of point to point service other than in markets that are focus cities like BOS, SJC, AUS, LGA or LAX. SJC-AUS is a perfect example with both cities being focus cities. Additionally, there is much more to putting aircraft types on particular routes than just load fators. In fact, route dynamics can sway greatly based on just the type of aircraft used witout a relationship to load factor....and a high load factor does not mean that there should be a higher guage of aircraft.

Mike
 
redraider
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RE: New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 9:29 am

CannedSpam,
Thanks for the info, I didn't know that. Do you know by how many miles Hobby is within the LGA perimeter?
My wife can't wrestle, but you should see her box.
 
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RE: New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 9:37 am

Was the perimeter rule modified? At one time Braniff operated a daily 727 San Antonio - LGA nonstop. 1978-ish
 
aatripleseven
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RE: New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 10:19 am

AA used to operate an AUS-MIA route a few years back. What ever became of that?
 
AA@DFW
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RE: New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:08 am

AAtripleseven:

I wonder myself whatever happened to the MIA-AUS service.

I'm glad to see that the BOS-AUS service is being reinstated. Should be VERY succesful (if for business alone). I have had to stop at ORD or DFW many times on my way between AUS and BOS.

Best,

AA@DFW
 
MAH4546
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RE: New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 12:58 pm

I was just going to talk about the MIA-AUS service. Why was it discountined? Austin and Miami are both big tech cities. That is why American added MIA-SJC. The time is right for MIA-AUS to return. The new AA hub at MIA, when ready, will be able to handle 330 American Airlines (not Eagle) flights daily, compared to 192 right now. I'm sure MIA-AUS is a route they will explore.
a.
 
toxtethogrady
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Man, They Just Keep Tryin'...

Wed Feb 14, 2001 1:06 pm

AA coudn't make a go of HOU-AUS or DAL-AUS. Point to point service they launched with much fanfare from HOU to DCA got discontinued. Either Southwest kills them or the lack of feed from a hub airport really shows...
 
LoneStarMike
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RE: New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 2:31 pm

This is actually a smart move on AA's part. According to an article last year, Dallas, Houston and San Jose are the top three destinations out of Austin.

That same article made reference to AA's AUS-MIA service which had been offered at the old airport:

Kazanoff says the airport hopes to gain further access south of the border by re-establishing a nonstop flight on American Airlines to Miami -- a gateway to Latin America. At one time, that route had been offered at the old Robert Mueller Municipal Airport, but American canceled it because of lack of ridership, she says.

Here's the whole article from March of 2000:

http://austin.bcentral.com/austin/stories/2000/03/27/story7.html

Although AA is the #2 carrier out of AUS, their traffic has been on the decline lately, according to statistics posted on Austin's airport website:

http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/newairport/activity.htm

October traffic on AA was down 7%, November traffic was down 3% and December's traffic was down 4%. For calendar year 2000, AA's traffic was up only 3% the lowest increase of the eight major airlines flying out of Austin last year. Hopefully the new service to BOS and the additional n/s to SJC will change that.

LoneStarMike

 
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RE: New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 2:45 pm

Miami, a tech center, that's a good one. Burger King making circuit boards these days?

Actually, the DCA-HOU flights continued to SAT and not Austin.
 
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RE: New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 5:15 pm

My mom does AUS-SJC at least 2-3 times a month... usually leaves AUS early in the morning for a 1 hour meeting and then flies back in the afternoon. The company really pays out of the ass for it too.. usually >$1500. AA must be making a killing with 3 packed 757's going back and forth everyday. These flights are always packed.
 
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RE: New AA Service

Wed Feb 14, 2001 11:26 pm

I really thought the "tech people" were making it less necessary to travel with video conferencing, DSL, etc, etc.

OT - Recently, a friend arranged a semi-live video conference with 30-plus employees in Calgary, Tulsa, Houston and Phoenix. He estimates that he saved his department over $40,000 in travel expenses alone.

Beware, the end is near...for one-day, one hour meetings, two time zones away.
 
flyaa757
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RE: New AA Service

Thu Feb 15, 2001 3:45 am

Other new AA service announced this week:

B738 MIA-Maracaibo
M80 LAX-Cabo
 
AA-SAN
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RE: New AA Service

Thu Feb 15, 2001 5:01 am

Hey... I can't find any info about the LAX-SJD flight... where did you find out about it FlyAA757??? I make this trip yearly, and it's going to be nice to have another option.
 
MAH4546
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RE: New AA Service

Thu Feb 15, 2001 5:49 am

TheCroupier, among Miami's tech and internet companies based here or with large operations...

Citrix Systems
Fusion Networks
Bell South Telecom LA
AOL Latin America (AOLA; an AOL joint venture)
sportsline.com
hollywood.com
Telefonica US
Fifth Avenue Channel (Internet TV)
yupi.com (what Yahoo! is to English, Yupi is to Spanish)
Vector
IVAX Biotech
Lucent Technologies (large campus in Miramar, a suburb)
Hewlett Packard (large offices, 12 storey building next to MIA in fact)
AT&T Broadband

Not to mention, Miami was chosen as the host city for Microsoft's first ever Global Conference, in which over 12,000 people will be welcome to Miami for the convention. And the list goes on. With over 5,500 tech companies, only the Bay Area and New York City have more tech companies than Miami does. None the less, this is going way off topic, but Miami, thanks soley to it's Latin proximity, has grown to become a major technology centre, especially when it comes to the Telecom indsutry, in which it was ranked the #5 Telecom Centre in the world by America's Network.
a.
 
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RE: New AA Service

Thu Feb 15, 2001 6:52 am

I've no doubt that many tech companies have chosen Miami for significant investment. I just think "tech center" label is being applied to liberally or with little definition of what technology actually encompasses.

But you're right, we've kind of strayed afield of "AA New Service"

regards

 
MAH4546
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RE: New AA Service

Thu Feb 15, 2001 7:15 am

Your right Croupier, the tech label is being used very liberally nowadays, but the definition of "tech" is chaning as well. I know I sounded a little too defensive, but it's only because I'm fed up of all these people who assume Miami's biggest industry is tourism. It's not. That's Miami Beach's biggest industry. Miami's biggest industry is Banking and Financing. None the less, back to the topic. I do feel that the time is right to at least try out an MIA-AUS service once again. MIA-RDU service, operated twice daily by American and, effective next week, three times daily by Midway (plus Midway service out of FLL), has been very succsesful, and I feel Raleigh and Austin are two quite similar cities. One thing I still don't understand, however, is why there is no MIA-San Antonio service.
a.
 
imkeww
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RE: New AA Service

Thu Feb 15, 2001 9:47 am

AA's hugely successful flights from SJC-AUS are affectionately called the "Nerd Birds".

FYI.

-imk
 
toxtethogrady
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Join The Crowd...

Thu Feb 15, 2001 10:46 am

Apparently every flight from anywhere to San Jose is a 'nerd bird'...

I can recall five years ago Austinites were insisting "if we only had service to San Jose, we could fill every flight". How right they were!
 
blink182
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RE: New AA Service

Thu Feb 15, 2001 11:25 am

SJC is no longer a focus city for AA, I think it is safe for them to be able to call it a hub. AUS-SJC is very popular because of all of the high-tech markets in Austin and San Jose. In Austin you have Dell and in San Jose, you have countless high-tech companies. They should add a 4th, or possibly even a 5th flight between those two cities.
With AUS, AA can't really get big there, as AA is humongus at DFW, and if AA grows at AUS, there will be "internal competition".
rgds,
blink182
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CannedSpam
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RE: New AA Service

Thu Feb 15, 2001 1:08 pm

Blink,

I don't agree. SJC is not a hub for AA. Yes, there are 75 flights a day out of SJC, but the sheer number of flights alone do not make it a hub. Heck, LAX has more flights a day than SJC and that is still a focus city and not a hub as well. What makes SJC not a hub is the lack of a connecting bank structure. With the exception of the afternoon period, any connections that are built at SJC are more of a product of service levels and aircraft utilization rather than the intentional building of connections. Yes, there is a connecting structure at SJC for the NRT and future TPE flight, but one connecting "bank" does not make a hub. Therefore, I would ne uneasy calling SJC a hub. Infact, if you asked the schedulers at AA, I am sure they would be uneasy calling SJC a hub as well.
 
Trvlr
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RE: New AA Service

Thu Feb 15, 2001 1:34 pm

Even though it isn't yet regarded as one by AA, I would not be that uncomfortable calling SJC a hub. With the addition of the TPE and CDG flights, SJC will move ever closer towards hub status. Although nowhere near ORD, MIA, or DFW in terms of connection opportunities, 2 777 flights arriving at practically the same time, plus a 767-300 at the end of the day is more than enough in my book to call SJC a hub for AA. Although still comparatively small now, AA's recent buildup of SJC has had every indication that it will become a hub in the next few years. AA even mentioned in their press release the connection opportunities for the TPE and NRT flights for the AUS passengers.

I think that soon we may see another flight to Europe from SJC on AA, probably LGW, which would probably arrive/depart around the same time as the CDG flight. That would create two fair-sized connection banks for SJC.

The major difference between LAX and SJC as focus cities for AA has been that so far connection opportunities at SJC have been wholly created by AA itself. At LAX the only intercontinental flight is to LHR, and the rest of the passengers that go to/from LAX on AA are going on/coming from flights operated by JAL, Qantas, Cathay, etc. In this way LAX is really leaning towards an AA O&D focus city, but a Oneworld hub. SJC is all AA, and I think will probably continue to be that way for a few more years.

That was all pretty disorganized. Sorry Smile

Aaron G.
 
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RE: New AA Service

Thu Feb 15, 2001 10:47 pm

Mah4546,
Well, I can undoubtedly agree with you - AA needs a San Antonio-Miami flight. Although, I suspect SA will come up short - for the time being.

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